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  1. ducowti

    ducowti Formula 3

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    #1 ducowti, Jun 16, 2013
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    Without verifying, I believe the alternator is working properly since once the car starts she'll run and run all electrical systems w.out compromise. Have replaced w.new fully charged battery and it just gets drained, no charge from alt.

    Is there a solenoid or relay that's packed up and not allowing juice back to the battery?

    How can I check w.a meter? I'm getting about 2.5V across terminals (disconnected from battery), and 13.2V across batt posts.

    Thanks.
     
  2. JohnnyTS

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    How long does it take to drain ? I always flick my battery isolator under the bonnet when car is not in use.
     
  3. ducowti

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    #3 ducowti, Jun 16, 2013
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    No, but that's what I was thinking - where is that? Best info I can tell to drain is on a 30-60mi highway drive she's done.

    ETA: Oh, is the isolator the red plastic 'strap' that plugs straight down?
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    These statements seem opposite -- please clarify. Are you saying that immediately after engine start-up (and with a fresh battery charge) everything electrical seems to work fine for a few minutes, but, if you drive the car for 30~60 miles, eventually, the engine shuts off and/or the battery is dead?

    Did you mistype here and mean 12.5V across battery when battery disconnected from car, and 13.2V across battery with engine running? (13.2V is a little lowish if the engine is at ~2K, or above, RPM).

    Simple companion measurements to get started would be:

    1. AC voltage across battery with engine running at ~2K RPM, and

    2. Current flowing out of battery with key "off" -- by removing 1 battery cable and inserting the multimeter configured as an ammeter in series. (You can't really measure the current flowing in to, or out of, the battery with the engine running with a common multimeter because the current can be huge.)
     
  5. ducowti

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    I'm saying all systems run fine after start up until I drive it 30-60mi and shut it off. If I try to restart after that distance range, the battery is either too weak to start, or it's dead. If I jump it, she's good all over again - and will roll start if I don't have a jumper available - until I drive it another distance and shut it off.

    I tested 12.5V engine off, key off, and 13.0 engine running idle and at 2K RPM. No change on the meter even to 3K RPM.

    Before I got back to read replies here I unplugged the battery ground under the bonnett, 'cleaned' the already clean contacts therein, and then idled the car in driveway - high beams on, rad fan blowing a lot, radio on, heater fans blowing - with a full battery (per charger status meter 100%) 10min, drove immediately another 15', and idled another 10'. I was trying to hit the battery hard to see if she'd start again after that 35' drive with heavy electrical demand. She did, and with a soundingly strong battery.

    Does that tell you anything?
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    Not a good sign for the alternator -- too lowish. Did you try making the other measurements?
     
  7. Paul_308

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    Yes, the REGULATOR, a part of the alternator, controls flow.

    The modern charging circuit is an 3 phase AC system and presently you do not have all three phases working due to a faulty regulator. When all 3 phases work properly, the voltage at the battery would be 14.3v-14.6v with engine running. When only 1 or 2 phases work, the symptoms are exactly as you described.

    Time to replace the alternator/regulator.
     
  8. BEisler

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    There is another little obscure potential problem that we discovered shortly after getting our 308. The battery light in the dash has a very small bulb with very thin wires. If that bulb is burned out or if the battery leads are twisted so it doesn't make a good connection, your alternator will not charge the battery. I was pretty amazed this fixed my battery issue.
     
  9. ducowti

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    #9 ducowti, Jun 17, 2013
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    The red dashboard charging light extinguishing at 3K RPM doesn't necessarily indicate the alt is working properly does it? There's been no change from previously normal operatin with that - lights at start, extinguishes at 3K RPM.

    Have not, but will try this evening if I get a few minutes.

    Right - should've thought of that considering I've replaced two RRs on my Ducatis, though symptoms differed.

    What meter tests can I run to determine if the problem lies in the reg or if lies in the alt?
     
  10. Steve Magnusson

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    No, it doesn't, but the fact that it comes "on" when the key is "on", but the engine not running, is a good sign that the connections and warning bulb are good/present -- and as BE stated, they must be good for the alternator to work properly. (They got "smarter" on later models and added another connection to not rely on the warning light bulb working for the alternator to work). The only thing that that warning light detects well is if the belt breaks when the engine is running.

    Not sure knowing that ahead of time really helps much, as either requires an alternator-ectomy -- leave that for the rebuilder-on-the-bench to determine ;)
     
  11. AN-M

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    Or simply unscrew the regulator/brush assy on the back and check if one ore more of the brushes are worn down.
     
  12. ducowti

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    So you're saying I need to just pull the alt either way since it's pretty certain the prob is the alt or reg? Haven't looked at it in vivo yet but the diagram looked like the reg might be solely removable w.out removing the alt. I'm inclined to just order the reg (121840 V/REG. 80A ALT. 308/328) and try replacing. Last time I sent something in for a bench test (speedo to PAS) all I did was add $75 overnight freight and $150 bench test fee to my resolution which was unrelated to the speedo!
     
  13. Steve Magnusson

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    #13 Steve Magnusson, Jun 17, 2013
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    Can't say that I know that just the regulator can't be replaced without removing the rest of the alternator (when I use the term "alternator", I usually mean the whole enchilada). If you can, please post, but if you have to get to this condition:
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    I'd say that that's virtual removal, and you're just doing the bench work in the wheel wheel ;) Or, if your alt is an oily glob, that might be another reason to do something more substantial. Unlike the speedometer, you shouldn't have to send it anywhere -- any alternator rebuilder can do the job (and better he/she doesn't know it's off a F).
     
  14. ducowti

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    Thanks for the pic Steve, helps a lot.

    Of course this condition developed this past weekend ahead of the car's debut in a Southampton wedding. I have two jumper packs safely 80mi away from the event and had to buy a 3rd at the only autoparts shop in town - no time to go the 8mi (30' one way on a sunny summer Hampton weekend) to Wallyworld. Poor groom was stressed enough w.out me having to drop the casual warning as he escorted his bride to their flashy red chariot, "BTW don't botch the startup now, you have one shot at it. And don't stall it out - if you DO stall, make sure you're rolling enough for a roll start."
     
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    Follow up: alt is off to the rebuilder today.

    Thanks for your replies gents.
     

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