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328 Block w. Crank on 308 Clutch and Gearbox ?

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  1. dirk

    dirk Rookie

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Hi,

    i have a 328 Block complete with Heads and Crank.

    Can i fit these Block on a 308 Clutch Gearbox and Transmission System ?

    Thanks

    Dirk
     
  2. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

    Mar 31, 2002
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    I am running that combination
    A few changes are in order however----

    the 328 crank is a bit longer--need to remove about .075" from inside sholder of pulley dampener to slide it back in alignment with alternator and waterpump.

    The hole where oil exits the bolck is much larger and you will need to get a new hose---

    what is your car? gtsi injection? 328? 308 carb? 308gtsi ECU will not work with 328 flywheel-- I converted all my stuff to EFI...

    Headers are same 328-308v4

    clutch/bellhousing from 308 will fit 328 block

    takes a little massaging--but well worth it

    Charles
     
  3. ham308

    ham308 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Looking in the manual, it shows the clutch/transmission transfer gear shafts on the 328 are supported with bearings on both ends; the 308 only on one end. Presumably done for strength reasons.

    Question to the experts - Is there any history of these shafts on the 308 being weak and getting bent or whatever?
     
  4. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

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    the transfer gear is really not a weak link--the weakest part of the drivetrain is actually the Differential---I have seen them claw their way out of the casing when the motors are bumped up to high horsepower (about 400). The bearings at the transfer gears do get a lot of wear --but the bearings can be changed easily, and you get to inspect them on clutch changes--I am not concerned.
     
  5. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

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    Dirk--please fill out your profile so we can know more about you---specifically where you are located. Also , If you are close by you are welcome to see my car or i can send pics---actually installing a new motor in it this weekend
     
  6. Gianluca

    Gianluca Formula Junior

    May 6, 2003
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    Dirk,
    Why would you want to do that?
    Just curiosity.
     
  7. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

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    lets start with --- +35 HP and +26 Ft-Lb Torque----- and Newer components
     
  8. dirk

    dirk Rookie

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Hi guys,

    thanks for Your answers. Ok, i have a 84QV i in US Spec.
    I have some problems with these early ECU car.
    But i want start a new thread about these problem, maybe some of Your guys has a good idea.
    Next Year it is time for the big servive. So i have thought about to pull the engine and build in these 328 parts for more compression, better cam timing and last not least a little bit more power. The 328 Block is a 105C in Euro Spec.

    Thanks

    Dirk
     
  9. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

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    dirk--the 328 motor will not work with your 308v4 computer---the injection is calibrated for a 308 and the pick-up points on the flywheel are different--you MIGHT be able to get around this by installing a 308 flywheel but I would not try this unless you go to carbs or EFI.....
     
  10. sshorty

    sshorty Karting

    May 23, 2004
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    I have never really worked on a Ferrari more than basic modifications and maintenance, but if you are doing major engine electronics changes, I would consider using a standalone engine control unit, like an Electromotive TEC III, or something similar, that once installed and tuned it acts even better than a stock ECU....this is only a good idea if you consider modifying the stock engine....I have seen these installed on a couple of Lamborghini Countach's along with many other "normal" vehicles like my own turbo miata.

    Can you use a 328 computer with a 308 harness?
     
  11. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

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    no--308 wiring and 328 computer do not mix

    I installed a TEC-3 with in my car--wish I had gone with a MOTEC though--lot better unit--TEC-3 has been a headache
     
  12. sshorty

    sshorty Karting

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    whats wrong with your tec 3? Tec 3 is much cheaper than the Motec, but I guess you Ferrari guys have the money for that.

    Next question:

    Can you install a 328 Engine Harness & Computer into a 308, or is the cost and headache to high to even make the attempt worth while?
     
  13. atlantaman

    atlantaman Formula 3

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    to install the complete wiring harness would take months--- As for the MOTEC it aparently has better algorythms and more secure--my TEC 3 crashed once and had to have board replaced at 500.00--this is only in 3 yrs too
     
  14. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

    Oct 31, 2003
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    I ran a haltech E6K for several years with good results on the 308. I'm currently upgrading to their new E11 to add sequentail injection...the E6 didn't have enough channels to handle both DIS ignition and sequentail...never had any problem with the E6...the E11 is giving me some trouble with the rpm signal or home signal though...off idle it counts 9 cylinders instead of 8 about 1/2 the time and doesn't run very well that way. I put an osciloscope on and they both look perfect, starting to think there is something wrong with the ECU itself....this is the tough part of EFI conversion, making everything talk....probably worse with haltech than the others because they try to be more universal and work with more combinations of sensors (hall effect, electomotive, reluctor-308 OEM, motrinic, ect), fuel(multiport, batched, staged, sequentail) and spark setups(1 or 2 distributors, wastespark directfire, complete directfire), but you pay for it by needing to configure more things during setup. Once it's done, they are usually very reliable and zero maintainance...along with complete control of fuel and spark so you can tune anything anyway you want.
     
  15. dirk

    dirk Rookie

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    Hello atlantaman,

    yes i know this and i use already the electromotive ignition. I have made many experience in the K-jetronic sytems, in the last years and i found out that these Bosch FI-systems are very similar.
    They differ on the warm up regulator which does a fuel enrichment at acceleration and at full load.
    I use a Fuel distributor from the Mercedes 380SE and it works very fine.

    Dirk
     
  16. sshorty

    sshorty Karting

    May 23, 2004
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    I have only had the Tec 3 for a few years, but the car was only running for 5 months...we'll see if mine crashes when i start the car again this coming month...no ferrari, but it is a turbo miata that was quite fast....

    I would still recomend the Tec unit as it's easier than the Haltech to use and tune with, especially since you can start the car the first time you turn the program on and even drive it....the Motec although better is big money.
     

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