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328 Cooling Fans, What Temp?

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  1. PT 328

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    I have an '87 328 GTS with 33,000 miles and my cooling fans are not kicking on until the water temp hits approximately 220 degrees. I thought I remember them coming on at around 195-200 degrees in the past. My questions are 1.) is 220 degrees a normal temp for the fans to come on? and 2.) what problem could this indicate? Thanks in advance for your help/advice.

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  2. Iain

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    Mine kick in at 195 i.e right in the middle of the gauge. Start by checking the coolant level & bleeding the system. If all is well & it's still doing 220 then you need to go through the system to find the cause which could be a number of things from a faulty temp sender/gauge to a bad fan switch.

    What temperature is the car running at on the highway & is it stable or does it increase with the weather or when running harder i.e. it'll run hotter at 90mph than t does at 70mph? (because it shouldn't!)

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  3. PT 328

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    Thanks Ian,

    I noticed it yesterday while out for a drive. The air temp was about 85 degrees. I noticed the needle sneaking up when I was in some stop and go traffic. It never reached 220 degrees while I was driving because I was able to hop on the freeway and cool it down without any traffic. When I got home I let it sit idling in the driveway to see when the fans would kick on and that is when I noted theat they were kicking on aroung 220 degrees. Any thoughts?

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  4. f355spider

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    Dan,
    As he said, first thing is to ensure you don't have air in the system, so bleed it (check the archives for the procedure, it's easy). If that is okay, and you have the proper level of coolant (6cm from the filler neck in the expansion tank when cold), then I would go ahead and replace the fan switch...they are cheap. Get a VW one for a 70's or 80's era Rabbit. Get the two pole version, and note that they are offered in two temp ranges, go for the lower one...kicks in around 180 versus 195.

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  5. PT 328

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    Dave,

    Thanks for the info. I'll take a closer look when i get home this evening.

    Dan
     
  6. Bob5013

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    My 87 328 fans come on at about 190 F. Yes, check for air in system then go for the temp switch replacement. Before you spend the money and just to verify a bad fan switch, remove the switch and put it in a pan of water on the stove. Throw in a thermometer, hook the switch up to a multimeter (set to the ohm scale...or a battery and a light bulb) and slowly raise the temperature. If it makes connection at 220 F instead of 190-195 F, you've isolated the problem.
     
  7. PT 328

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    Do you need to drain the radiator to remove the thermal temperature fan switch?
     
  8. greg328

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    Well, if you're quick, you can unscrew it and screw in another one, if you you have one, to minimize coolant gushing out. The switch is at the bottom passeger side of the radiator (at least it is on 308s)

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  9. PT 328

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    I replaced my temp. fan switch today and am still having it reach 220 degrees before the fans kick on. Is it possible the thermostat is going bad or the gauge is off? Any thoughts on my next step? Thanks again.

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  10. wcelliot

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    The thermostat should have nothing to do with it... I'd suspect your gauge.

    In my 308 the fans don't come on until the gauge reads 220... and that can cause a slight boilover when I stop.

    What I did was pick up a cheap adjustable fan switch (since the fans are relayed you don't need one that carries many amps). I then used double tab connectors to wire it in parallel to the factory switch... so that if either one of them closed, the fans will work. (This also saved me draining the radiator).

    Then I simply adjusted the new switch to come on where I wanted it to... about 180 on the gauge. Since then I've had zero boilovers or burping...

    Total cost under $20... time under 30 minutes.

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  11. Iain

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    How stable is the temperature when yr on the highway & what temp does it run at?

    On the basis that you've just put a new fan switch in you would think that will be telling the truth & its the gauge that's wrong.

    Have you definitly bled all the air out (both from the radiator and the T'stat housing)? The temp sensor is in the top of the engine so if there was any air that could upset the reading somewhat.

    I suppose its possible that the Thermostat is not working properly, is sticking & then opening suddenly releasing very hot water to the radiator which is then triggering the fans.

    I'd suggest you find someone with one of those infra red thermometer gun things & see if you can get some readings of various parts of the system.

    I.
     
  12. Brooklyn328

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    Can you send a link or the details fo the fan switch? Any more details on the install?
     
  13. Ferrarium

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    Already mentioned but I'd bleed it first, on my 348 air bubbles caused a 10 degree late fan turn on as well.

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  14. WaltP

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    1st confirm gauge reading with an IR thermometer
     
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    You won't be able to test the high end in a pan of water
     
  16. GordonC

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    You have to be a bit careful when you post to a thread that hasn't been active for 16 years!!! The forum member you're asking hasn't been on the forum for over 5 years - they're not going to see your question.

    I would suggest that when you search for a thread on a subject, choose the more recently active threads to add a question. I'd also suggest searching and asking in the 308/328 forum section, rather than this more general Technical Q&A section

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