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328 emergency flashers won't turn off

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  1. mike996

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    I think my 328 is PO'd at me re my recent talk about E Types. This AM I went out for a short drive. About a mile from getting back, the emergency flashers went on and I can't turn them off. Background follows:

    Yesterday eve, as we were driving back home (wife driving the car), I was fooling with some of the switches and I engaged the Emergency flasher just to see if it worked. The lights did NOT flash so I pushed the button again, figuring, "I should check that out at some point," and that was that. But today, as I said, the flashers came on by themselves.

    I ASSUME that the switch itself is either bad or stuck/gummed and that perhaps it engaged mechanically yesterday but did not make contact/maybe some vibration this morning caused it to "connect." But before actually doing anything I thought it would be prudent to ask if others have experienced this. Also, I haven't really looked at how easy it is to pull that switch. I'm not at the car right now, having some other things I need to do this AM but I'll get back to it later today.

    Thanks for any thoughts!
     
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  3. mike996

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    I have had no luck at all in removing the console switch panel on my 89 328 GTS.

    Removing the ash tray allows the forward part of the switch panel to lift slightly but pulling forward will not release any sort of tab or anything from the rear of the panel. Unlike the instructions in the thread referenced above, the "glove box" on the car does not have trim screws so it cannot be removed to gain access to the rear of the switch panel. The glove box is riveted in place onto the console itself.

    It SEEMS as if the switch panel should release at the rear by pulling it forward as if there was a tab that holds it in place at the rear when it is pushed rearward into position but. as I said, pulling it forward does not release at all and there is no sign at all that it will do so.

    What am I missing here?
     
  5. furmano

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    Well, on the GTB, there are screws in the glove box/cassette holder that hold the switch panel in place. I don't know how that is handled in the GTS but I would continue to search for screws near the rear of the panel that hold it in place.

    And I've also gone through the hazard switch repair. Not too hard, getting to it is the hardest part.

    -F
     
  6. mike996

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    Ok, I'll check it out this afternoon - if there are screws in the glove box holding the panel, they are underneath the black felt that lines the glove box.
     
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    You have to remove the rocker switches at the rear of the console by pulling them out and then there are 2 screws revealed underneath.
     
  10. mike996

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    Hmmm...you mean you just pry those switches out? Seems a bit "scary" to me what with old, brittle plastic...but what the heck, I could always hot-glue them back in place! :)
     
  11. mike996

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    OK...I was back at the car. Here's the deal with a US 1989 328 GTS. You have to pull the console, both the front "tunnel" portion and the main console. You can do that without pulling the seats.

    Removing the forward (tunnel) portion of the console will allow the wiring loom to easily move upward so that the entire main console can be lifted up and turned over, thus making the switches easily accessible. I was able to unscrew the fitting on the hazard switch without removing any other switches. It was actually quite easy.

    The switch panel had no screws at the glove box end. The end of the switch panel is spot welded/riveted to the glove box which, in turn, is riveted to the console. So the switch panel cannot be removed from console unless you drill out the rivets holding the glove box to the console.

    Maybe this method of attachment was a "running change" for the '89 models. Frankly, it seems to me that the original attachment for the switch panel was likely via the ashtray screws/a tab at the rear. And then, for whatever reason, it was decided to rivet/spot weld the assembly at the rear, leaving the original setup at the front of the panel. I could be wrong but IF there is a tab/screw setup on earlier models, it seems obvious to me that there was a change for some reason. In any case, my 328 requires removal of the console - the switch panel cannot be removed without drilling out rivets.
     
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    I had the same problem a couple years ago on my 89 328. I do not remember having to remove the whole console just to get to the emergency flasher.
     
  14. mike996

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    #11 mike996, Jun 7, 2016
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    OK...CORRECTION:

    I found that there ARE two screws, as others have mentioned, that hold the rear section of the switch panel. IF you are comfortable prying out the rear switches, you can access the screws and just pull the panel. I didn't do that but frankly, there is darn little room to work with that way because the wiring harness is locked in place by the "tunnel" console as well as the main console so you can't really lift out the switch panel and have much access. IMO, it's easier to remove the 8 screws holding the two console sections and just lift the whole rear console and turn it over. There is plenty of wiring clearance to do so with the tunnel console unscrewed.

    However, IF the rear bank of switches will pop out of the console with no drama, then, assuming there is enough wire clearance to actually lift the panel sufficiently, then yes, it should be easier than pulling the console. But I figured that if I broke one of those switches, that would be a SERIOUS problem as opposed to the extra time it may take to pull the console.

    In any case, I repaired the switch per the postings and it's back in the console; the consoles are back in place and the switch is working fine.
     
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    One thing to be careful about is the capillary tube which runs from the aircon control through the bulkhead into the front compartment.

    Turning over the console is going to twist this and if it breaks the AC will no longer work and replacing this would be a nightmare.

    Removing the top of the console will also flex this tube but maybe to a lesser extent. But yes, prising the switches out is a tense moment!
     
  16. mike996

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    Good point about the capillary tube. I didn't even think about it and I should have at least remembered that it's there and considered it. Although I haven't tried the ac after re-assembly, I'll do that shortly. I pulled the console loose on a previous occasion and treated it the same way with no ill effects but that might have been luck. OTOH, the tube would be basically twisting about 1/2-3/4 of a turn through a length of around two feet which I wouldn't think would exceed the ability of the tube...I hope! :)
     
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    #14 st@ven, Jun 8, 2016
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    This, and your thoughts of getting rid of her all together.
    You know that Italian ladies are hyper sensitive didn't you?

    Blame it on yourselve!

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  18. mike996

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    Yeah - it is pretty... I apologized to the car today!

    The AC is OK so no issue with the cap tube.
     
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    Great write up also, cheers
     

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