328 GTS LHD in U.K. auction - views?

There is an interesting 328 GTS up for auction in the U.K. via ‘The Market by Bonhams’. It’s a weird one - engine and mechanicals look good but interior a little tired. Welcome any views… I’ll probably go see it between Xmas and New Year

 

That one?

https://themarket.bonhams.com/en/listings/ferrari/328-gts/32e48cdd-d6d6-46ff-85e7-e70797fccdd0?status=live

Rgds

 

Look like very old tires ie immediate replacement - op if you are looking for a 328 there are less pressured ways to do it which enable proper checks - no mention of owners handbook set being present - if its not been driven since rebuild there could be much else needing work - do you actually want lhd ?

If its cheap its cheap for a reason and given the UK market seems to be starting at £ 60 why not look there or for a good 308

 

No issues what so ever with LHD in the U.K. .The best roads are on the EU , Alps and all anyhow .
You just save £10 s of thousands that’s all .
It looks fettled a nice one .
Worth a punt .

 

Bit strange to not bother spending 50 quid on an MOT imho.I believe if returned to EU then buyer would be hit for tax..not an easy sell.Plus a lot of talk about possible paint repairs and no proper history ..red flag for me .

 

So a guy put over €30.000 maintenance in 2019 for a 328GTS with 69.000 km on odo and them put it on ebay ( in last November ) at £78.000. And today this car was offered with "Estimated Price: £55,000 - £70,000"

There is a but .... no ?

 

I thought that was very strange as well considering the supposed expense recently

kc

 

Wise words on here, thank you all. I’m guessing tires could be £3k? I will go see on New Years Eve regardless and report back. If anybody has a lead on a much loved 328 RHD U.K. for £60k I’d be interested! Happy holidays

 

Tires are straight out of KwikFit at about a hundred quid each - there's a private sale on pistonheads at about 60

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&Distance=2147483647&M=308&Postcode=b7+5th&SortOptions=PriceLowToHigh

KHPC & Forza288 get reasonable cars quite often

 

That car has been for sale for a number of months now.

It was on UK ebay originally for @ £78K. then it was relisted on ebay with a "buy it now price" of £64K in the Classic car section.

At the exact same time, it was listed as a "No Reserve" auction on UK ebay in the "Cars" section, where it reached @£55K.

A couple of weeks later it was on the: "The Market" website, with a "buy it now" price of £60K.

Now it's back as an auction car on: "The Market" as a "No reserve" car (It'll be interesting to see if it actually sells from this "No reserve" auction, as it didn't after the last time it was listed)

A "much loved 328 RHD" in the UK for £60K right now? - Not going to happen!

The cheapest RHD 328 GTS for sale in the UK right now is for sale at Kent High Performance (formally The Ferrari Centre). 1989 ABS version, red, cream leather, 51,489 miles on the clock, priced at £69,995. You might be able to get it down to £65K~£66K, but I can't see it selling for £60K.

If you want a lower mileage 328 GTB/GTS, then you'll looking at £80K ~ £130K

If you think tyres for a 328 GTB/GTS cost @ £3K - You need to do some home work. You'll get a full set of Pirelli/Goodyear/Continental/Michelin tyres for under £500 (@£600 if you require a full size spare as well)

Plenty of people will tell you that LHD in the UK is no issue, which to a degree, is true.

The biggest problem with LHD Ferrari's in the UK, is selling them on - They take an age to sell, because people just do not want them. And I'm not talking about a few extra weeks or months to sell the car on - In some cases it can take over a year.

The fact is, most people in the UK, who have only ever driven RHD cars, don't feel comfortable driving a LHD car on UK roads - It;s just too alien to them.

Then there's the problem that, with imported cars , it's far easier to be caught out with an accident/flood damaged car that should never have been returned to the road, than with a UK RHD car, because if they were damaged in their original Country, and not the UK, they won't appear on a hpi check (the UK equivalent of carfax)

LHD cars are a lot cheaper than RHD cars for a reason - You need to go into buying one with your eyes open

 

^^^^ Not convinced re the anti LHD U.K. Ferrari culture above .
The two I sold a Testarosa and 360 F1 , went quickly, the TR to Moscow .
Aside in this market a lot of demographic buyers have EU holiday homes , the roads driving experience in the EU on a scale of 1-10 whereby U.K. is 3 , the EU is 9 generally with the Alps 10 the tops .
Also I have found personally keeping a U.K. reg car in the EU ( at your property) circumnavigates many arduous testing and taxing local laws .Also bypasses local insurance hikes .

You get the identical F experience arguably 10 s of thousands cheaper with extra EU benefits thrown in particularly if you leave it over there a few months a year .Moving it is fun too .French auto routes are dead .

On a wider reach ( not with this it’s been done ) you can make a profit importing them from the EU , keeping them U.K. registered then selling on .The TR and 360 made sufficient profits to effectively be free motoring .Those calcs inc specialist servicing costs .

Additionally my latest a 77 GT 4 was / is totally rust free coming from Southern Italy .
A lot most of the uk RHD 308 stuff are rotten or have had extensive refurbs .Mine is totally OEM original.


If there are any benefits to buying a U.K. ( probably rotten ) RHD, and chugging round the M25 or a rain sodden highlands of Scotland in the summer I, am not seeing them .

In other words what’s the point of tying up excess capital in a RHD version and limiting your choices ? Only to find you are sat on the wrong side in the place where the roads / club events get really interesting.

Remember the F40 btw , the LHD thingy has not diminished there greatness in the U.K. .

 

I've currently got @ 33 years of checking the Ferrari cars for sale markets pretty much daily, and I can tell you, LHD versions of the standard production Ferrari's do not sell anything like as quickly as a RHD versions, and they sell for thousands less than RHD's - There are some LHD cars that have been for for sale for over 2 years now.

Interesting to see the Testarossa went to a Russian buyer, and not a UK buyer.

Based on what data?

And is it your claim that there are no rotten or extensively refurbed LHD cars in EU Countries and the USA? - I'd put money on you being wrong on that one!

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here

Have a look on Youtube for "Tyrells Classic Workshop - Ferrari 308 vetroresina" - A classic case of "original" not always being better than restored!

Errrrr........What choice did you get with the F40? (or the 288 GTO and F50)

Unless you were the Sultan of Brunei, your only option with an F40 was LHD, so that's hardly a fair example.

Had Ferrari made RHD a factory option for the F40, do you really think more UK customers would have ordered LHD than RHD? - Based on the "lesser" models that were available in LHD and RHD versions, my monies on the vast majority of UK customers ticking that "RHD" box!


The facts are, when it comes to standard production Ferrari's, LHD versions are nowhere near as popular as RHD versions of the same car. Because of that they're cheaper to buy, but they also sell for less money, and, with the occasional exception, in general, they're a lot harder to find UK buyers for.

Check out UK Ebay, UK Autotrader, Pistonheads Classified, Carandclassic, UK Exchange and Mart - LHD Ferrrari's are cheaper than RHD cars.

Watch those sites for a few months/years/decades, and see how long the LHD cars tend to stay up for sale compared to the RHD cars.

You don't have a problem with driving LHD Ferrari's in the UK? - That's great for you, but you're not the majority of UK Ferrari prospective buyers/owners.



Back in the early 90's I owned a 1978 Pontiac Trans Am in the UK, that was my daily driver, so I have actually experienced driving a LHD car in the UK. For 90% of the time, LHD wasn't really an issue (well, not for me at least, my girlfriend at the time hated being sat in the passengers seat with cars coming at her on her side! )

But there was that 10% of the time where it was a bit of a ball-ache.

Certain junctions that were a piece of p**s to deal with in a RHD car, were far more awkward in a LHD. Car parks with ticket barriers or fobs (including our factory car park), were a pain in the ar*e because of being too far away, and on a couple of occasions I got stuck behind trucks, which I couldn't overtake due to fact that I had to sit so far back from he rear end of the truck to see past it, that it lengthened the overtake by too much ('78 Trans Ams are not exactly the quickest cars on the planet, so that didn't help!)

As I say, I've got 33 years experience of watching the UK Ferrari market, and assessing not just the prices, but also the situation concerning RHD and LHD cars in the UK (and 43 years of loving all things Ferrari), and I stand by this statement: LHD Ferrari's are not popular in the UK. Never have been - Never will be.

By a strange coincidence, RHD Ferrari's are not popular in the USA and in Continental Europe - Now why should that be?

 

I never managed to view this one and it sold for £59.6k last night. My view is that this was expensive versus a U.K. RHD will full service history, MOT history, 12m MOT and the backing of a reputable dealer for approx £65k. Thanks for your views on it! I will keeping looking. It’s a slight shame so many of these are in Rosso Corsa these days… would love one in Azzuri.

 

Azzurro 328 RHD ? Wake up Andrew !

There is one for sale since a long time by The Supercar Rooms and to my best knowledge this is the only RHD GTB ever built in this color. The only other Azzurro 328 ( GTS ) is in New Zealand

https://www.thesupercarrooms.co.uk/car-details/ferrari-328-gtb-abs-for-sale-DAZ

 

I know. My father took delivery of a 308 GTS QV in azzurro in the U.K. When was about 10. The main dealer claimed that it “blew up” at its first service and replaced it with a Mondial QV which was never the same. The 308’s colour was fabulous. The story was probably absolute bull… I bet it went overseas…