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330 LMB #4381 SA coming to 2016 Rick Cole Auctions Monterey

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  1. GG Allin

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    So Samsung has the stolen one.
    Walmart has one.
    Some guy in Europe has one painted yellow, right hand drive.
    Then there is this one?


    The high bid will be $32 Million.


    Best looking Ferrari race car ever, IMHO.
     
  2. PSk

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    #27 PSk, Jul 8, 2016
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    It's just a race version of a 250 Lusso. I'm the opposite to you, ie: I cannot see what all the fuss is about, other than it's rare.

    Lets remember that the a "full on race car" for Ferrari does not mean the same as say for Ford or GM. Even the 250 GTO's chassis is just a modification of the 250 GT 2+2, hence why they are cut up to make replicas. The 250 Lusso and 250 GTO share the same chassis design except engine location (my comment re length being different in post #21 is incorrect). The Lusso even has the watts linkage properly locating the rear axle.

    So to make the 330LMB, all they did is make an alloy Lusso body modified a little for racing and chucked in the larger 330 engine, already developed for the 330 LM/TR.

    But you have a point re rear engined cars because the 250 LM was not permitted to be homologated as a GT as intended, and the LM WAS the GTO replacement.

    Daytonafan also has a good point, maybe Pininfarina wanted to get his design racing.
    Pete
     
  3. Marcel Massini

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    The "yellow one in Europe" is red again and it is 4725 SA and it lives in OH/USA since February 2015.

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. cheesey

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    I'm guessing it is Wexler Victoria Secret person, unless there more than 1 big hitter with F cars in Ohio... wonder what the asking price was when it was sold to Wexler
     
  5. Terra

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    IIRC, the RHD 4725 SA the only dry-sumped example of the four 330 LMBs (maybe DWR46 can confirm this). And it finished 5th OA, 1st IC at 1963 Le Mans (Sears/Salmon). A totally different league than 4381 SA.
     
  6. cheesey

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    they all are dry sump... the rear quarter window opposite the driver has the oil fill
     
  7. Jack-the-lad

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    I believe it's Wexner.
     
  8. Jack-the-lad

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    Does anyone have a picture of a 330LMB engine bay to post?

    Thank you.
     
  9. Ferrari 308 Vetro

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  10. DWR46

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    Terra: Cheesey is correct, all the 330 LM's are dry sump motors.

    PSk: I honestly do not know where to start. I have driven and worked on both Lusso's and 330 LM's. They are SO DIFFERENT that it would be a waste of space to try to convince you. The frames are NOT similar, major tubes are in different locations, tubes that are present in the Lusso are not present in a 330 LM and vice versa, the wheelbase is different, I actually suspect that NOT ONE tube is the same in the two chassis. Front suspension pickup points are different in the two chassis, and it goes on and on. The 330LM chassis and the 250 GTO chassis DO share similiar architecture, and appear very much alike, though different in wheelbase. Also a 330 LM does not have a Lusso style body. It is like a 250 GTO from the windshield forward, and NOT one panel matches a Lusso (even though the rear looks like one).
     
  11. cheesey

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    you are full of misinformation... you are embarrassing yourself
    the 330 LMB is a ground up new chassis built for racing, there is absolutely NO relation to the Lusso or any other model except for the optics... read DWR46's comments in this thread
    he is correct
     
  12. GG Allin

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  13. DWR46

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    I will add one other point, with the exception of the 412 MI, the 330 LM is the fastest vintage Ferrari I have ever driven or been in.
     
  14. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Several big $ collectors in Ohio, 290mm @ rm, 335s @ artcurial and 340mm @ rm have all shifted to the state and all gone to different collectors.

    As for the 330LMB name, DWR46 is pretty much right. The two/ three Scaglietti 4 litre cars, #3673SA, 3765LM & 4561SA. All three were unique with the last noted a road spec car for Cavalier who was a board member of SEFAC Ferrari. #3673SA has been debated since 1962 and most experts agree it wasn't a GTO at all. Anyway all three have at some point been known as 330GTO, at some point in #3673SA's case, since they have the Scaglietti bodywork with the enlarged bonnet bulge. These cars were used at Nurburgring and Le Mans only in 1962 and had some success in the prototype category against weak opposition. Where things get complicated is that the 4 litre Testa Rossa was known as the 330LM when it raced at Le Mans in 1962 and has since become known by various monikers such as 330TR and/ or 330TRI/LM.

    Into 1963 the 330LM(B for Berlinetta) was developed on a lengthened GTO type chassis with the streamlined Pininfarina bodywork which allowed for a much higher top speed. Again they were only really intended for the 1963 Le Mans where I believe they were the first cars to top 300km/h on the Mulsanne straight. The opposition was limited to the under-prepared Maserati Tipo 151 and Aston DP214 in GT and the Aston DP215 in prototype. While it may have been known as the 330LM as well, it has been separated ever since by Ferrari authors and experts as the 330LMB to make things easier.
     
  15. Terra

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    "On display at Monterey for Private Treaty Sale..."
     
  16. cheesey

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    more misinformation, you are making things up
     
  17. Terra

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    #42 Terra, Jul 8, 2016
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    Its Greenhouse (with its attendant rear quarter windows and roofline,) also lend the middle and rear of the car a distinctly Lusso-like silhouette.
     
  18. El Wayne

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    I'm beginning to think someone may have hacked Pete's account. :)

    Dyke, thank you.
     
  19. cheesey

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    either that or his happy hour is running long :=)
     
  20. Jack-the-lad

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  21. TTR

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    It doesn't appear to be offered for bidding, but rather "On display for private treaty sale"
     
  22. DWR46

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    Timmy: The factory Build Sheets for 0808 identify the car as a 330 LM/TRI. When they produced the 1963 Berlinettas, it made sense for Ferrari to call them 330 LM Berlinettas.
     
  23. Terra

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    I think you meant Timmmmmmmmmmy!
     
  24. DWR46

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    Terra: It has been a long "Lamborghini" day. I was too tired to type all those letters.
     
  25. PSk

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    Okay it is more special than it appears or looks :). It definitely looks like a Lusso body has been put on a GTO chassis and a 330 engine chucked in.

    Best
    Pete
     

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