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348 CEL's

Discussion in '348/355' started by rivee, Nov 13, 2005.

  1. rivee

    rivee F1 Rookie

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    Sorry about cross posting but I need to fix it ASAP. Smog due soon.

    I know this has been discussed to death here, but my situation is a little different.

    Friday I changed the oil and filter on my 348. After taking off the air cleaner housing to get to the oil filter, I thought I would do a little preventative maintenance and clean all the electrical contacts I could see while I had the air filter box off.

    So I disconnected the battery and began to spray electrical contact cleaner on all the unplugged connector contacts that I could reach.

    I then took a low pressure air hose and blew the remainder of the contact cleaner out of the sockets and re-connected them.

    After I was done changing the oil, I re-connected the battery and started the car. I waited about 15 minutes before shutting her down. Then 45 minutes later I took it out for a test drive and immediately the check engine lights started coming on and off and the idle was galloping. I drove it home, checked all the connectors and reset the ecu's.

    Yesterday I got in and drove to town and the check engine lights started coming on again. First the 1/4 light then the 5/8 light came on and off. Then they both started coming on and off simultaneously. By the time I got home they both had stayed on.

    Then I disconnected the battery for a couple of hours and started it again last night and let it idle for 15 minutes. In abiout 5-8 minutes the idle started galloping from 2000 rpm to almost stalling, and the CEL's started going on and off. I checked the ECU codes and 1211 (lambda regulation) came up.

    Question is, what connector is at fault here? Which connector has both sides of the lambda's plugged into it?

    I've disconnected and re-sprayed every connector 3 or 4 times that I had sprayed previously. I used Caig electrical connector conditioner. I can't imagine both O2 sensors going out simultaneously.

    What I don't understand is why both sides CE lights are going on and off at the same time.
     
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  4. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The connectors for the lambda (O2 sensors) are located under the air box. I would check to see that you don't have any broke wires on the back of the connectors.

    The other thing you can do is run an additional ground wire from O2 sensor to the frame. This has worked for others in the past.
     
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    Ya know... I didn't even read that about the Lambda code until just now... ignore my post, it's worthless crap.
     
  6. rivee

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    Ermie, I've had those connectors on and off a dozen times since this started. I've checked the wires for continuity and they're good.

    Then I unplugged the O2 sensors tonight and got the 1114 code (Lambda Sensor).

    So it seems to me that the 1211 code (Lambda Regulation) is not same as the 1114 code for the O2 sensors. Am I right?

    Also, why would both of the O2 sensors go out simultaneously?

    Where/what is the Lambda Regulator?
     
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  8. ernie

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    Try checking the MAFS connections also.

    Electrical problems are the BIGGEST pain in the neck with Ferrari's. It's sounds like what ever you unplugged the car didn't like it. The lambda is basicly the stuff controling the emitions of the engine. Those would be the oxygen sensors, and the mass air flow sensors.

    Try this.

    Swap the O2 sensors from one side to the other, then run the car and see what happens.

    Then check the resistance on the MAFS. This thread discusses what to do http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20378&highlight=MAFS+adjustment

    But more than likely you have a connection problem, where the signal is not getting to the motronic ecu. This is either cause by a bad part, or a poor connection. That is why you are getting the codes. More often than not the problem with these cars is a bad connection. Be it a dirty connection, busted wire, loose connection, or even a bad ground.

    I feel your pain. Electrical probems SUCK NUTS.
     
  9. rivee

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    Ernie, I read the thread you posted about the MAF's.

    Did you find your problem with the emissions CO? Did you get it smogged?

    How was the resistance on your MAF's?

    How do you adjust the MAF's if the resistance isn't 383 ohms?

    I'll check the connectors to the MAF's tonight when I get home.
     
  10. No Doubt

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    If I remember correctly, your lambda circuitry only kicks in when your car is hot **and** you aren't at Wide Open Throttle.

    So you seem to be saying that you are fine right at first when the car is cold...but then goes haywire when the O2 and MAF's start to matter (i.e. car is hot).

    So I'd think that either your O2 or MAF connections are bad or unplugged or broken, or that the MAF filaments are covered with your contact cleaner.

    348's have self-cleaning MAF filaments, but that self-cleaning operation may take many drives to work (operates at shutdown after car has been driven for 15 minutes or so).

    Anyway, our 348's basically have 3 levels of operation: cold, warm, and warm at wide open throttle.

    It's only that middle level where our emissions gear is fully working.

    There are also two cold-start valves that close when warm. Other than that, our cars run the same hot or cold (which is to say, they don't run in the same way at all).
     
  11. Rifledriver

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    Lambda regulation just refers to the fact that the sensors are going full tilt to regulate fuel mixture and it's still not enough. I would unplug them and run the car to add to the data base. If the car runs normally then something in the O2 system needs to be considered. If on the otherhand if it persists we can consider the code a sympathetic action.

    Another thing that has not been mentioned is a problem with the coolant temp sensors. Way too many times I have seen a broken wire at that connector cause similar symptoms and it would also cause a Lambda regulation code.

    An open connection or high resistance at the temp sensor will make it very rich. Something it can tolerate when cold but less so when you get some temperature in the motor.
     
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  13. ernie

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    Yeah I got it smogged. What that problem turned out to be was a hollowed out cat. I finally ended up spending the coin to have a mechanic get it to pass. Yes he did it with one working cat. He also wouldn't give up the secret as to how. So no new magic trick for me, LOL.
    They were fine.
    By using the mixture screw on the MAFS. If you look at the picture in the thread I refered to, the screw is under the red button.
     
  14. Ingenere

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    This sounds like a connection problem. I have had my 348 for 16 years and early on I had to clean and fix several connections, and there have been zero warning lights, etc for 15 years. Those connections are pretty sensitive.

    Incidently, you don't have to remove the airbox to remove the oil filter. Its a little tight, but you can get the filter out fairly easy.

    Best of luck w/those connections.

    Ciao
     
  15. rivee

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    Something I noticed tonight is that when I shut the car off, the CEL's stay on about the same amount of time that the MAF filiment stays on (around 5 seconds).

    Never got the cleaner close to the MAF filiments, unless there is an opening between the male MAF connectors and the filiment. Hmm.....
     

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