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348 clutch/gearbox area leaking... Something gray?

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  1. Joshieburger

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    #1 Joshieburger, Sep 6, 2015
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    I went out to my garage yesterday to take the car out for a cruise, and while doing my checks I noticed this gray colored fluid under the gearbox/clutch splitline area. It's pretty wet under there so I can't tell EXACTLY where it's coming from so I'm going to wipe it down and watch for forming drips. I understand I have a problem here, however my question is, what fluid exactly is it if it's leaking out as a gray color. No fluids put in the car are that color. My guess I s this is gearbox oil mixing with possible clutch dust and creating a graphite looking sludge. I know the pictures aren't amazing but I'm trying to get a second opinion. I'm a fairly new 348 father so I'm getting familiar with all the components back here. I've read about "flywheel grease" also, and not sure if this puddle could be that? I'm hoping it's just a triple seal leak because I can get that done in an afternoon, but I don't know how to "grease" a flywheel as I'm used to standard engine/transmission layouts which don't use grease on a flywheel.

    Sorry for the long question but any help would be appreciated!
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  2. Joshieburger

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  4. 2NA

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    Unless it smells like gear oil (pretty nasty) it is brake fluid from the clutch slave cylinder/release bearing.

    The slave cylinders have been known to fail, requiring replacement. There are threads covering it and how to fix it.
     
  5. Joshieburger

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    I checked the DOT4 reservoir and it IS above the max fill line, and I read that it will purge excess fluid, but at the front of the car, since this is at the rear I'm guessing it's not a result of a purge. I smelled the fluid and it's not an obvious smell, but if you get it really close and take a good solid whiff, it has a light sulfuric smell to it. Is that the gear oil smell you were referring to? It didn't smell like the brake fluid...
     
  6. Joshieburger

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    So I think I have the technical ability to remove the pumpkin and get all the way down to the throw out bearing, but I couldn't find the slave cylinder thread you spoke about. I suck at searching threads... If i can find it, hopefully reading through a pictorial will let me know if I can tackle that as well. I'm a turbine engine mechanic by trade so mechanics are not a problem, it's the confidence of working on a Ferrari that I lack... ��
     
  7. 2NA

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    Search under "release bearing". There are several threads.
     
  8. Mitch Alsup

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    It looks surprisingly like the damper grease that would come out of the flywheel, except that it looks to be lower viscosity.
     
  9. pnicholasen

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    Go on YouTube and type in "Ferrari 348 triple seal and throw out bearing seal replacement.". That should give you an idea of what's involved
     
  10. Joshieburger

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    Thanks guys I did see those threads, so I'm hoping my guess is right and the gray is just clutch dust or something mixing with the fluid. Where would a gear oil leak come from though instead of a brake fluid leak? Looks like all those components people are replacing are related to brake fluid, e.g. Slave cylinder components, thrust bearing, etc. unless the triple seals are what would be leaking gear oil? I'm thinking its gear oil not brake fluid. Sorry for the ignorance.
     
  11. yelcab

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    Gear oil leaking past the triple seals and mixing with the Kluber grease to give you that dark grey color. You will have to replace all those seals and repack the clutch pack. Your mechanical ability as a mechanic will come in handy. Need a few special tools though.
     
  12. Joshieburger

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    The only thing I don't want to have to do is use a hydraulic press. I've seen the clutch pack broken down from the engine side, and am hoping everything can be gotten to from that side and not the bearing cover side
     
  13. jochem00

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    could be coolant water in the gearbox!
     
  14. Joshieburger

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    Thanks for all the replies. I'm in the states, but does anyone have any experience with MDClutches? Their website says they will take your whole clutch pumpkin and redo everything inside it down to resurfacing and regreasing the flywheel, including media blast it to a nice finish for £800 is it just me or does that seem cheap to anyone else? They look good coming out too. Maybe I'm just too new and do t know the comparable price in the states. How much is a complete pumpkin rebuild here??
     
  15. Wade

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    #16 Wade, Sep 9, 2015
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    Repair prices can be regional, and based on who's in your vicinity as well. So it would be helpful to know where you're located.

    BTW, MD Clutches has a very good reputation but if you can fix jets then this is pretty easy. Just remember, there are some nuances along the way. Another, the repair manual isn't step by step like you may be used to. Fortunately there are some FerrariChat threads that cover most everything needed.
     
  16. Wade

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    Josh, did you figure out where the grey goo came from?
     
  17. Joshieburger

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    I didn't want to have it apart just sitting in the garage, so I've been waiting for the new seals to come in. They are on the mail truck for delivery today! So tonight I will start taking the clutch off and get a better look. My money is on the triple seals/release bearing leaking and mixing with the flywheel grease. I'm hoping the flywheel is dry, but that's wishful thinking...
     
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    Not only did I find that when I post pictures they rotate to an u viewable angel... But also found that the release bearing guide pin sheared off causing the whole assembly to rotate. Bend springs and everything...
     
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    Thank you for the rotation, I don't know why I'm uploading upside down...

    So to ricambi I go and await yet some more parts. I'm going to inspect the pin area. A pin is $0.90 if the hole isn't wallowed out. If it is, a new assembly is going to be around $300 I think. Hoping not.
     
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    #24 Joshieburger, Sep 19, 2015
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    Well I just checked it out. The bearing housing is done. The pin hole is wallowed and I'll need to replace it is hill engineering the only way to go? Looks like HE is roughly $900, almost the same as a new OEM replacement. Anyone have one they are selling?
     
  24. Wade

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    I recently installed the whole HE kit which it commonly advised here as a "do it once" repair. Especially so regarding the thrust bearing.

    My car had a leak and I wasn't able to determine if it was the thrust bearing or the triple seals, or both. Turns out that the flange was badly scored and the bearing was the source of a howling sound while driving.
     

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