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348 Fuel Injector Change Process?

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  1. No Doubt

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    I need a sanity check to verify that I haven't left out anything major before I upgrade fuel injectors on my 348 to the 1995 355 injectors later this month, so all techs please weigh in:

    Relieve the pressure in the fuel system by letting the car idle after unplugging the fuses for the fuel pumps. It should die in a few seconds from a lack of fuel.

    Disconnect battery.

    Illuminate the area only with fluorescent or LED lighting, not incandescents due to fire danger.

    Unplug all injectors. Disconnect the fuel lines that connect to the fuel rails. Unbolt the fuel rails. The entire injector rails will now lift up and out as a unit, injectors and all.

    Detach injector retainers.

    Remove old injectors from rails by rocking, not twisting. Be sure to remove the old injector o-rings.

    Blow out each fuel rail to remove the decade of gunk that has built up inside.

    Rub a tiny amount of engine oil onto the new o-rings for lubrication/sealing/installation.

    Put new injector o-rings in place (are there two o-rings on these Ferrari fuel injectors, the large one on the injector, the small one in the intake manifold, or do these injectors just have 1 o-ring each?).

    Press/rock (don't twist) the new injectors into each fuel rail. Attach injector retainers.

    Set and bolt the fuel rails into place.

    Wrap the fuel line threads with 1 round of fuel-safe teflon tape and use two wrenches to tighten back up each fuel line/rail fitting connection.

    Re-install the fuel pump fuses. Connect electronic plugs to injectors.

    Activate battery.

    Start the engine, it should be hard to keep it idling at first due to air in the fuel lines, but should be fine in less than a minute? Would starter fluid be appropriate for the first start?

    Check and double check for fuel leaks by rubbing finger over rail connections and checking for fuel aroma.

    Adjust MAF screws as needed to deliver stoich A/F ratio while idling.

    Test drive.

    Recheck for fuel leaks by rubbing finger over rail connections and checking for fuel aroma.
     
  2. Motob

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    I would not use teflon tape on the fuel connections. The threads do not need to be sealed, as the mating surfaces of the connectors do all of the sealing. You will do more harm than good by using the tape.
     
  3. No Doubt

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    Thanks, then!
     
  4. fmomen

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    No Doubt: is this recommended? does this improve performance?
     
  5. No Doubt

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    Your a brave man

    But nobody is better equipped than you to do this good luck.
     
  7. No Doubt

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    #7 No Doubt, May 5, 2008
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  8. luckydynes

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    you should compare spray patterns to the stockers.

    I'm running 30# ford motorsport injectors (red tops at the link below) . .. lots of options out there in that body style.

    http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsMODS.asp
     
  9. cbstd

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    It has been my experience that simply slapping in larger injectors will cause a rich condition and you will LOSE power.

    If your engine has been modified extensively and you need a bit more fuel to correct the air/fuel ratio, a slight increase in fuel pressure is all that is needed.

    Using a larger injector with lower fuel pressure to maintain correct air/fuel ratio will result in a lousy spray pattern.

    Scott
     
  10. No Doubt

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    Thanks. But you can tell by the tips that those injectors are all Bosch disc-type multiport sprayers (i.e. same spray pattern).





    For everybody else, here's a fuel injector primer: http://www.sdsefi.com/injectors.htm
     
  11. f355spider

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    So you are installing the Porsche spec injectors or 355 injectors?
     
  12. No Doubt

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    I've ordered both. First set that arrives gets installed.
     
  13. f355spider

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    I'm a little incredulous that you are spending $4800 on 355 injectors. Particularly with the usual frugality you often talk about.
     
  14. No Doubt

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    (Anyway, I didn't order new 355 injectors from Ferrari; I ordered 8 rebuilt ones from rockauto.com: http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1104006,parttype,6224 )
     
  15. PAP 348

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    This should be interesting. :):)
     
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  17. No Doubt

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    Good point.


    What was I thinking?!
     
  18. fatbillybob

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    The 348 ignitor and coil cannot fire the 355 injectors IIRC. We tried that on Plugzits car during the ITB swap. We had to put the 348 injectors in to ge them to spray fuel. Check with Ernie and Bruce I'm 90% I remember that correctly
     
  19. luckydynes

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    #19 luckydynes, May 5, 2008
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    From this angle this injector looks the same as yours and the Ford motorsport injectors that I'm running in my car (and pictured at the link I posted) . . . but there is a significant difference up inside the tip which you can see with the naked eye . . . I'd compare them.
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  20. No Doubt

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    I suspect that you are correct for the 355's made in 1996 and later. They use fuel injector part number: 162613.

    The 1995 355's (and some later Challenge models) use fuel injector number 149316.

    The 1995 355's (and some later Challenge models) use the same Motronic 2.7 ECUs, though.
     
  21. No Doubt

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    Thanks! I didn't know that fact.



    I will compare them during the r&r.
     
  22. luckydynes

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    to get them to spray period? . .. that doesn't seem right based on those resistance values . . could see it not running properly though but I haven't played with the stock motronic ecu yet . . . it's been my understanding there are basically two kinds of injector drivers and you can piggy back a black box if you have the wrong driver . . .but with those resistance values seems like same type . .. luv my Haltech ;).
     
  23. ernie

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    I remember that.

    When we put on Plugzit's 355 ITBs the 355 injectors were left on. The car wouldn't fire, so we swapped out the 355 injectors for the 348s and then it fired up. I don't remember exactly why, something to do with the resistance maybe????? Bruce has swapped out his injectors a couple of times, so he would know better than me what the deal was.
     
  24. bpu699

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    Is there some way to test your injectors at home, to make sure they are faulty, before replacing? I seem to remember that on the 914 you can cut out the spark, and then shoot fuel into a cup. Some old mechanic also told me they used to use compressed air and a car battery to check the spray pattern using water... any one heard of this?
     
  25. luckydynes

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    I think you can energize them "for a short while" (a few seconds?) but have to be careful about overheating the coils . .. I worked with a fuel injection test bench where I could alter the injection times and total number of pulses for calibration . . . I'd like to rig up one of my Haltech ECU's to do the same thing.

    I think the test you're referring to would work with CIS injectors but not EFI.
     

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