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348 Shifting Problem

Discussion in '348/355' started by emailben, Sep 22, 2012.

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  1. emailben

    emailben Karting

    Feb 10, 2012
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    San Jose, CA
    I notice if I shift my gear from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd at around 2K rmp, it will clunk, sounds like it hit the synchro? Am I not shifting quick enough or should I let rmp drop lower before I shift? I brought the car to the shop, they said the gear box and clutch are fine and the guy at shop test drive the car and shift ok without any clunk. He rev the car to about 4-5K rmp before shifting.
     
  2. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

    Aug 4, 2006
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    Check your fluid levels to make sure that's not it. Warm up the transmisison for a bit. Shift at a normal pace, not speed shifting. Try double clutching to see if that helps on the up shift. Could be linkage, like cable binding if you are lucky. If not, yes, something internal. Use Redline trans oil, not the Shockproof stuff, though. Generally the transmissions do not fail if treated reasonably and maintained with fluid changes. They do not take abuse well, however.
     
  3. Chupacabra

    Chupacabra F1 Rookie
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    Fro normal driving, double clutching usually takes care of that for me.
     
  4. Kaivball

    Kaivball Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Shifting at 2k is too low, IMHO.

    Kai
     
  5. 348Jeff

    348Jeff Formula 3

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    +1

    thats your problem :)
     
  6. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Try shifting closer to 3k
     
  7. emailben

    emailben Karting

    Feb 10, 2012
    195
    San Jose, CA
    I had the shop adjust the linkage cable. He said shift is much better. However, I still experience the clunk when shifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. Maybe I shift too quickly? How much of a pause should I wait before shifting into each gears?
     
  8. 88MONDIAL

    88MONDIAL Formula 3

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    What RPM are you now shifting at? Shifting lower than 3k is BAD for an engine as there are "minimum" rpm shift points for each gear - usually they fall around 3k for min.
     
  9. okspeed6

    okspeed6 Rookie

    Feb 23, 2009
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    I would agree that shifting at 3k or higher will help. Also it helps to to start your shift while the rpms are still rising. When the clutch is depressed all the gears in the box are slowed by the fluid drag and mechanical friction. If the rpms are dropping (off the throttle) when you start the shift it just makes everything slow down even quicker and makes for a poor shift. Ideally you want to disengage the gears just as the rpm falls off. You can actually feel that the gears have almost no load on them from either accelerating or decelerating.

    On another point "double clutching" is used for down shifts not shifting up and it is also accompanied with throttle "blip" to raise the rpms. If your double clutching a 348 on the up shift........that's a bad thing.
     
  10. emailben

    emailben Karting

    Feb 10, 2012
    195
    San Jose, CA
    Do you let go the gas paddle when shifting?
     
  11. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    When my 348 developed the clunk sound on shifting, it was due to significant wear in the clutch shaft splines.
     
  12. tcannon

    tcannon Formula 3

    Feb 18, 2009
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    I have to say that once everything is up to temp in my 348, I can shift to any gear at any rpm without any problems at all. very smooth all the time. I am going to count myself lucky. ;)
     
  13. tamf328

    tamf328 Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2005
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    I owned a 348 and it never "clunked" at any rpm on shifting.
    and you didn't have to double clutch it to have it shift smoothly.
     
  14. emailben

    emailben Karting

    Feb 10, 2012
    195
    San Jose, CA
    I found that I have to shift into gear fairly quickly in one action to avoid any roughness or the clunk I was feeling. If I shift a bit slow with some hesitation, I will feel the synchro is trying to catch up with the gear and cause the clunk? (that's what the service shop told me).
     
  15. Chupacabra

    Chupacabra F1 Rookie
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    OK -- wasn't clear in my first post and admittedly skimmed the OP. Sorry, it happens sometimes :) I rarely have any reluctance from my transmission at any RPM when upshifting when it's warm, and I usually don't drive it until it's pretty darn hot. I will say that the whole car seems more fluid when it's kept on the boil.

    I DO, however, find that normal, around town downshifts are much less "clunky" and faster when the car is double clutched. My car's previous owner confirmed this, and many other F-car owners have stated that double clutching smooths out their transmissions as well. I guess it depends on your car.

    I think you and your mech are spot on in the last post, emailben. When I first got the car, I was terrified of the $10K transmission rebuild, but I learned that it likes to be really driven...under the right circumstances and within reason, of course.
     
  16. emailben

    emailben Karting

    Feb 10, 2012
    195
    San Jose, CA
    After changing of my shifting habit, my shifting is much better now. Thanks.
     

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