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348 348 Strange Oil Spot under the front end!

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  1. rob58

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    Greetings All, I was taking my 1990 348ts out for a spin today. As I went to close the garage door, I noticed an oil spot. This was just about in between the two front tires. It was about 2 tablespoons of oil. It was clean, clear and a honey tone in color. It looked to have happened upon startup. What could this possibly be? It does not look like brake fluid. Please help!
     
  2. Qavion

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    Sounds like a lot. What else could it be other than brake/clutch fluid (in the centre of the car)? Are the reservoir levels low?

    Without lifting the car or removing the frunk carpet, I don't think you're going to see where the leak is coming from. Act quickly before the fluid eats away your paintwork.
     
  3. POLO35

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    Brake fluid is very watery but it could be refrigerant oil possibly? Is your aircon functional?
     
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    Steering rack, yes it has oil in it.
     
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    According to the manual, the 348 steering rack is filled with BP Energrease FGL (a kind of fairly "thin" grease). I recently found and bought an available substitute for the specified BP grease - Shell Gadus S2 V220 0.
     
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    When it leaks out after all the years it leaks out like oil, sort of light honey color.
     
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    Your just going to have to get it up on ramps and start looking around or I would pull each wheel check your steering rack boots for leaks you will stumble upon it eventually.
     
  8. rob58

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    The Air /Conditioning is not working
     
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    That is what it looks like a honey color and sort of thick, not dirty at all.
     
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    How much Fluid / Grease does the steering rack hold?
     
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    its in the manual I don't recall off hand but its measured in CC's so not much. Crawl under the front of the car you can see the steering pinion box where the console links to it, if that's leaking it will be obvious.
     
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    OK, I will do it tomorrow, and report back on my findings. Thank you for your advice. I would be lost without it...
     
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    Ok, I don't think it's the steering rack. It appears to be coming from the break / clutch reservoir overflow line. I can see the tip of the light green translucent line where it vents out. And under that is the spot where the oil / fluid is leaking. I Won't know for sure until I get to the lift on Friday. If so, why would that be leaking?
     
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    Is that a real question? Something is loose, something has a bad seal, something was overfilled etc. You'll need to check, it's not like there is one solution to a fluid leak in that spot. [emoji3]

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    Yes it is, admittedly I'm not an expert. Next questing: Could pumping the breaks, and clutch before starting push fluids out the overflow line? I've had the car for 3 months with no issues, of leaking.
    Thank you all, much appreciated!
     
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    Did you recently top up the brake fluid? On the 348, the fluid level in the reservoir fluctuates depending on whether the brake accumulator is full or empty. If the reservoir is somewhat overfilled with the accumulator full (charged), the fluid level in the reservoir will go further up when the accumulator empties itself (after the car has sat for a couple of weeks). This may cause some fluid to be pushed out via the overflow tube.

    Another possibility is rupture of the accumulator diaphragm allowing the pressurised nitrogen to enter the braking system and push some fluid out. Have the brake accumulator tested for correct operation.
     
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    Check the fluid tank first, fluids should be right about where the plastic seam is. If its below then you possibly have a leak somewhere. If its above then could be as simple as over fill or as Miroljub mentions. I'd remove the front trunk liner to make sure you get a good visual inspection, there are holes under the trunk area, if your brake fluid leaks due to a line or something it will drain out. Pull the trunk liner have a good look at the tank, level and surrounding area.
     
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    Thank you All, great advice. I'm on it! Will report back what I see.

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    Ok, this is what I found. The leak is definitely coming from the break / clutch overflow line. Nothing leaking in the trunk space. The level looks to be right at the max, if not a hair above. The level is to the seam of the tank. No more drips on the cardboard I placed under the overflow line. All said it was about a couple of tablespoons of fluid, perhaps less. Could pumping the breaks & clutch peddles before starting have pushed fluid out the overflow line?

    Thank you all,
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    Pumping the clutch, no. If the brake reservoir was filled to the brink while the brake accumulator was full, pumping the brake pedal with ignition off can cause fluid overflow as it will release brake fluid from the brake accumulator back into the brake reservoir so this additional fluid can cause the fluid, at already too high level, to be expelled via the overflow pipe.

    You can check where the highest level in your brake reservoir is now if you, with the ignition off, pump the brake pedal some 25 times (i.e. until it becomes very hard) then see where the level in the brake reservoir is. If the level is close to overflowing, take some fluid out.
     
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    MAX and MIN brake fluid levels are shown on the side of the reservoir but they are hard to see unless the trunk liner is removed. NOTE: the marked levels are applicable when the brake accumulator is full. This means - switch the ignition to ACC position and wait until the ABS light goes off (the ABS pump stops humming) then check the fluid level.

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    If the fluid level is set to the MAX as described, the fluid level will go somewhat above the MAX mark if you pump the brake pedal (ignition off) some 25 times. This higher level will be somewhere between the MAX mark and the top wall of the reservoir. This can be seen without removing the trunk liner.
     
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    Wow! This is incredibly helpful. Thank you for the detailed instructions, and photo. Question: While performing this test if any fluid is expelled via the overflow line could this leave the reservoir at a deficit? Or just push out the overfill amount?

    Thank you very much.
     
  23. m.stojanovic

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    Normally, if the brake reservoir is overfilled, pumping the brake pedal 25 times will just cause part of (not all of) the overfill amount to be expelled via the overflow tube. However, even though not all of the overfill is expelled, you will probably not have any further fluid being pushed out because, after one fluid purge, there will be just enough "breathing" space in the brake reservoir to accommodate the fluid level fluctuation caused by the brake accumulator being full or empty.

    To remove all of the overfill amount, you need to remove (suck out with a syringe or some other means) sufficient amount of fluid from the reservoir so that the fluid level is at the MAX mark at the time when the brake accumulator is fully charged (see post #21).
     
  24. rob58

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    Thank you for the in depth advise, and guidance. I learned a lot here!

    Very much appreciated.
     

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