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348 tb or GTB

Discussion in '348/355' started by theera, Sep 27, 2005.

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  1. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    #1 theera, Sep 27, 2005
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  2. bob348

    bob348 Formula 3

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    I think she's a Tb.
    Because of the "pre-spider" front grille.
    And i'm not 100 % sure , but i think that GTB had different headrest than Tb...
     
  3. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    That's what I thought but the rear track looks a bit wide for the tb....IMO, and there's a brake light on the rear lid.
     
  4. FFOUR

    FFOUR F1 Veteran

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    I would say its a GTB, for the following reasons:

    1. The chrome 'prancing horse' between the rear light clusters, it was matt black on the earlier cars (tb and ts).

    2. Body-colour coded side sills - although many earlier cars have had this done.

    Hope that helps. :)
     
  5. burriana

    burriana Formula 3

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    That sounds on the button - chrome horse and colour coded sills, and, I don't know about "pre" Spider grill, but it looks identical to my Spider.
     
  6. GeorgW

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    I agree with Bob348, it´s a tb because of the front grill, very sure !

    Regards, Georg
     
  7. chrisx666

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    Not so easy to tell - they all (tb/ts) got chrome horsies from 92' and many have had the black paint wet-sanded off. Not all GTB's had the wider track either - it seems to be market location dependant. Loads of earlier cars have aftermarket spacers fitted as well.

    If unmodded I'll guess at GTB. Never noticed the 3rd brake light on any before..maybe market dependant..middle east??
     
  8. cal355

    cal355 Formula Junior

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    Car looks like a 89-92 tb with the chrome horse on the back grille and a smaller chrome horse added to the front grille.The lower skirts can be painted to match body color.I did the same thing with my 90 348ts and it looks alot better and updated.GTB/GTS only came out in93-94.the front grille looksalitte different also.
     
  9. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Nope.

    The best way to tell is by looking in the engine bay. The GTB's have the tall intake plenums. The other thing you will be looking for is the code on the block. If the engine code is H then it is a GTB.
     
  10. chrisx666

    chrisx666 Formula Junior

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    I'm sure it is the best way - if you are looking under the lid. The guy asked 'from these photos' so I suppose we are all just guessing..
     
  11. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Which is why I answered
    Unless it had the 348gtb badge on the engine cover, which it doesn't, you can only guess.
     
  12. BT

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    I would guess GTB because of the painted lower panels, wider rear track etc... Also, I have an 89 348ts with the same third rear tail light. The tb did not have a full painted engine cover also. Of course these changes could have been done aftermarket, so tough to say without more photos.
    BT
     
  13. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    Thanks, but I've seen many tb/ts examples with chrome horses and most have had their side sills painted the same colour as the rest of the car.
     
  14. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    Identical to your Spider???, now I'm getting confused.
     
  15. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    To be honest, I've always understood that the difference between tb/ts and GTB/GTS was the wider track at the rear only, never before have I tried focusing my attention to the front grill or anything else. It surprises me for you to comment that NOT ALL GTB/GTS have wider track.
     
  16. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    #16 theera, Sep 27, 2005
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    Thanks for your comment. That's a point, perhaps with a picture of the engine bay, attached herewith, you would be able to help.
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  17. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    From a close look of the car there was evidence that there was a GTB badge on the engine lid before but now its been removed. To me, badges are easy to acquire, so it's a point that I don't really think proves that this car an earlier or later model.

    Some have told me that GTB/GTS models have a lip around the front grill, can any of you confirm this detail?. From the Pic you are able to see that this car has no lip.

    Another point that I've tried to figure out was to do with the issue that some have a single duct, others having two ducts, positioned at the bottom of the spoiler?.
     
  18. ernie

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    Well from the looks of the plenum I say it is not a gtb, and just a regular old tb. As I said the gtb/gts cars have the taller intake plenums, and this one does not.
     
  19. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    Sorry no attached picture.
     
  20. ernie

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  21. PassionIsFerrari

    PassionIsFerrari Formula 3

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    I'm with Ernie..Definitely a TB with the mods...

    I have a 91' 348 TS....

    My lower body is color coded with the car
    I have a 4" rear chrome horse (I replaced the black one)
    I have a 3" front chrome horse (which I rigged on there)
    I also have a wider track (but thats because of the 360 wheels)

    The intake plenum is the giveaway....No way someone would put the smaller one on and take off the larger one so that they could decrease their power by 20hp.
     
  22. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    Ohhhhh!!!!, now it's really clear what model it is. Thanks very much for your post. To be honest I never knew that one had to have a close look at the height of the plenum, like I said before I was only focusing in the past on the width of the rear track. The place selling the car in the picture is trying to stick to their story that it's a genuine GTB. So, I will immediately tell my friend of all the findings on this thread so that he could make his judgement if to buy or not. I've had some F-cars but never owned a 348 so no idea about the different details.
     
  23. theera

    theera Formula Junior

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    Ernie,

    Sorry but could you also show me a picture of the front spoiler of the GTB so that I could compare the two.

    Thanks
     
  24. henkie

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    Sorry, what difference do you think there is on the front grills apart from the chrome horse ?
    I think all grills are the same, from the first model to the very last spider.
    Correct me please.
     
  25. stevew

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    That's my GTS,fame at last :D
     

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