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  1. Ferrari348turbo

    Ferrari348turbo Karting

    Nov 22, 2005
    208
    Florida
    I have a 91 348ts and it has a built in radar detector in the dash which flashes red for cops. Last week I drove for about 2 hours to orlando with no problems, on the 2 hour drive back I kept seeing a red flash, I thought it was radar detector so ignored it. Last night I drove the car for about 45min when I saw the flash again, but this time the radar wasnt on. When I looked down nothing was lit up. So I just started watching the dash not the road, while trying not to hit other cars I noticed the red flash again in fact a few times, I was trying to read it but couldnt. Seems the flashes only come about every 3-6 min, finally got another flash and saw it was the slowdown 1-4. I was coming up to my exit anyhow, took it, and sat at a red light when it flashed 2 more times, not even long enough to light up 100%, drove another 15min city driving and it never happened again. Drove the car to work this morning on hwy never came on. Any idea's?
    I read some other posts, and im confused as to where the ECU's are for the exhaust. I thought the 2 computers behind my seats were for the Fuel Injection system, but from other posts it looks like there are 2 other ecus for the exhaust. Also where is this thermocoupler thing located?
     
  2. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 10, 2005
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    Cant help ya with your problem sorry mate,but wondering,did someone fit the radar dector into the dash of the car? Does it look like a good/factory fit? Or it looks like it shouldnt be there! Did you do it or buy it like that?? Just curious LOL Cheers :)
    Sound like a good idea thats all! ;)
     
  3. Ferrari348turbo

    Ferrari348turbo Karting

    Nov 22, 2005
    208
    Florida
    I thought it was factory installed, looks original you cant its even there until it goes off, infact i didnt know it had one until I found a hidden switch under the dash and turned it on. There are 3 lights for it. The top left turns orange for city green for hwy, and there are 2 small red lights one on the left which is the front radar sensor and one on the right which is for the rear radar sensor. Also there are two speakers for the radar, the left hidden speaker is for front and a hidden right speaker on the passanger side somewhere gos off for the rear. When I found the switch i was going to cut it out because i thought it was for a cellphone setup.
     
  4. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 10, 2005
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    Cool,thanks for that! They done a good job of it! :)
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    Do a search on "348 warning light ECU" (and read your OM!). You'll get 12 threads that will have a lot of useful information (including photos/diagrams) on this subject from the 348 brotherhood.

    The thermocouples (there's one for each bank) are mounted so that their tips (the active part) are in the exhaust streams exiting the catalytic converters.
     
  6. brm

    brm Karting

    Apr 26, 2002
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    Tampa, FL
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    Bruce R. Morehead
    Back to the original topic. The slow down lights only show that the catalytic converter temperature is high. The temp ECUs are located on the outside of the rear suspension uprights and are prone to failure and bad electrical connections. If you do a search on this site you will find many postings with dnswers to your problem. If you have removed the converters, just disconnect the ECUs. If the excessive temp is reported, your Engine ECU will shut down that bank of cylinders eventually. If an ECU is bad and shuts down a bank of cylinders, shutting off the engine and restarting will clear the problem temporally. You can test the ECUs by switching them side to side and see if the slow down light changes to 5-8.
     
  7. Ferrari348turbo

    Ferrari348turbo Karting

    Nov 22, 2005
    208
    Florida
    The last thing I want to do is burn up my car due to a fire. Can the cats be hollowed out? Would this actually make my car have less chance of fire? Also is there any type of performance gains from having hollowed cats?
     
  8. Ferrari348turbo

    Ferrari348turbo Karting

    Nov 22, 2005
    208
    Florida
    Thanks to Jim walker I found some of the problems.

    Error code 4121 Catalist temp ECU
    and 4114 which is TDC recognition what ever that means
     
  9. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

    May 21, 2005
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    The first thing that you want to do is determine if you have a real problem or a simple circuit glitch.

    Your 2 exhaust ECU's are on your car to prevent cat fires. If they detect a hot cat, then they flash your Slow Down light for their respective side.

    A bad spark plug, a bad spark plug wire, a bad coil, or an A/F mixture (among other things) could be putting too much raw fuel into a cat...which is a bad thing...

    ...that heats up a cat and triggers the warning (when the exhaust ECU is correctly working).

    Of course, the system is also known for false alarms. The posters above were suggesting that you swap your two exhaust ECU's with each other.

    This is a good test because if the exhaust ECU itself is faulty, then your slow down warning light will switch sides.

    On the other hand, if both xECU's tell you that the same side cat is hot, then you've got to do some real trouble-shooting to find out why too much fuel is being dumped...

    ...which you would **really** want to know no matter whether you replace your cats with Hyper-Flows or hollow "test pipes."

    More here: http://webpages.charter.net/aircover/348/1994Ferrari348Spider.html#SlowDownLights
     
  10. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    You'll get 4114 if you check your ECU codes with the engine off instead of while running.

    The list of 348 ECU Codes are here: http://webpages.charter.net/aircover/348/1994Ferrari348Spider.html#ECUcodes
     
  11. Ferrari348turbo

    Ferrari348turbo Karting

    Nov 22, 2005
    208
    Florida
    thanks thats some good info I will switch them first see what happens. Any idea what the TDC recognition is? that code is on the side i dont have a problem with, and the motor runs great no problems.
     
  12. VTChris

    VTChris F1 World Champ

    Aug 21, 2005
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    Do you have any pics of the dash with the radar installed?
     
  13. Ferrari348turbo

    Ferrari348turbo Karting

    Nov 22, 2005
    208
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    No I dont have photo's, but I can make some tonight.
     
  14. PassionIsFerrari

    PassionIsFerrari Formula 3

    Aug 15, 2004
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    Slow Down lights are VERY VERY important to monitor.....Heated cats CAN cause a 348 to burn up...

    Swap the ECU's as suggested and see if the problem is the ECU's are faulting or if you do have a cat that is getting too hot....

    Another thing, if your cat is THAT hot that it is triggering the thermocoupler sensor, you can always pull over the car immediately and get under and look at it. I have heard that your cats should be 'glowing' if they are getting that hot.

    Another note, if your cats are overheating, it is because you have another problem with your car...It is a reaction, typically from one of the problems that NoDoubt listed...

    Test pipes will solve the problem of having your car not go up into flames, because the raw fuel that is being tossed into the cat that is making such a fiery ignition, will now just pass through your whole system...thus no fire... but it will not solve the problem of why your car is throwing excess raw fuel into your exhaust system.

    If your ECU's are faulting....try some contact cleaner (stabliant 22a) and clean the electrical contacts on the ECU's...A lot of problems that you will find on these cars is due to bad connections through faulty grounds, electrical contact corrosion, or some other kind of electrical fault....Contact cleaner is an amazing fix for a lot of things... I would recommend cleaning contacts on a lot of your electrical components such as MAFs, ECUs, plug wires and it will also solve the E8 problem as well as the fan kicking on and off on the HVAC units...

    I am not a mechanic, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn. :)

    BTW, curious about your turbo...did you buy it installed or have it installed... How many horsies are you pulling...any problems....constant tune ups on it?
     

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