Hi Bart, Thank you for your reply. Do you remember you also had a hole in the horizontal frame but without tis rubber roller Bill described in his thread ? Or did your spider also have this rubber rollers? I completely understand the the way of fixing this problem. I think the "vertical" rails are perfect, the window slides perfect. In the "horizontal" I have the problem the glass of the window does not touch the rubber seal when it is down. There is a space of 2 mm between the glass and the rubber seal on the backside. The closed window touches the rubber seal perfect. I am not able to adjust the window in this way to touch the rubber seal in open AND closed mode. Any help in this case would be appreciated. Thanks Alfred
Looking for a really good 3500 GT Vignale Spyder. (Is it ok to post that here?) Thanks, Jerry 514-865-6509
Hi Alfred, The roller did attach to the frame so I am pretty sure yours are missing. A call to MIE or another supplier would be in order, even if you have to buy the whole frame. The rubber is hard so it will not score or leave tracks. It is only there to apply constant pressure to keep the window from rattling, in my opinion. If I have to take off my panels, a job I do not wish to do, again, I will be sure to take a photo for you. Maybe there are others out there who have a panel off or one that comes off easily? Bill
Hi Alfred, My car has these hard rubber rollers installed and after thinking about it again I did adjust them to narrow the play. I am pretty sure they will cure the problem. I Just read Bill's reply. If MIE cannot supply them I would have them made out of a flexible plastic and insert a bronze bushing. They are only about 25mm/ 1 inch in diameter with a tapered side / cross section and the hole in the bearing is 6milimeter. At the max width they are about 8mm. This is all from memory and would have to take a door apart to check. Success, Bart Succes, Bart
Hi Bill, your description fits exactly to what I understand this part is used for. The only reason for mounting this part is to avoid the rattling noise. Drivers who are not sensitive to this kind of rattling may have removed this rubber rollers due to damage without any problems. After all it's a moving (rolling) part and it consists of rubber, a material which does not last very long. Maybe that's the reason why this part is missing in a lot of cars. I completely understand you do not like to take off the panels, it's not a work to love. Maybe there are other members in this forum doing a restoration of their cabriolet, let's see if somebody can supply some photos. I am curious about it. Another important question: Is this part also mounted on (maybe an early) 3500GT Touring ? Any of the Touring owners who knows that ? Alfred
Hi Bart, Yesterday I sent a request to MIE, but the answer was: "Hello Alfred, Thank you for the email. I studied the ferrarichat postings, and viewed the photos. I understand the problem, but unfortunately we do not have this roller part to offer. I think the solution (although difficult) is to have it made. This would obviously require someone to provide a donor part to reproduce it. In my stock, I have nothing to offer up. Very best regards. Stuart Avery" The solution will be to make them. It's not my preferred solution, but it seems to be the only one. I am sure, your detailed description will help us to make this part working well. Maybe there is somebody in this forum who can provide this as a spare part - hope dies last. Thank you ! Alfred
Per your request attached is a picture of the window rollers. The measurerments are 32mm long X 25mm wide at the top and tapered ro 220mm at the bottom. The rubber roller is 15mm wide and 12mm dia. The rubber is ribbed. the metal thickness is .8mm thick. These were also used on the early touring coupes, which is where these actually came from. Hope this helps, Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Eugene, many thanks for your posting. The photos help me very much to make the rollers. First I will try to find 2 pcs as a spare part (maybe these are available from a 3500GT Touring), but if it is not possible to find, I will make them. Please tell me, is the rubber a soft one (which I can press with my fingers) or more a hard one ? Many thanks Alfred
The rubber is quite hard. It measures 87 with Shore A durometer. The three I have all measure in that range. However I am sure there are hardened for age. Thes parts are original and more than 50 years old. A hose for the radiator for example would measure in the range of 65-70
Some general updates about the Vignale-Spyder when researching for my book-project: - It is unclear show many Spyder were made as I found traces of cars that had been confirmed by ex-owners or other written sources but Maserati S.p.A.said "this car(s) doesn`t exist!" It might be the case that the sources mixed up the VINs of this cars but I will list them also in the book but with reference to what Maserati said. - currently (!) confirmed are 28 cars in the USA - currently (!) confirmed are 36 cars in Germany. - 69 cars seem to be lost - this means I have absolutely no infos despite delivery.
Walter, I am sure you are familiar with the list that was published some years ago which shows the VIN, color, and date of the Vignale spyders. I realize there are some errors on the notes column of this list but perhaps the list of VINs is correct. The list can be found at: http://thecarnut.com/VignaleprototypesOther/vignalespyders.pdf I was told Cozza put the list together, do you know if this is correct? If you add all the entrees the number comes out to 251. We know that car #2779, which carries the highest chassis number, has body number 250. I use to own this car therefore I am certain of this. Car #504, which carries the lowest chassis number, does not have a body number. Again, I am certain of this as the car sits in my garage. If car #505 has body number 1 (which would make #504 body #0) then the number 251 would work. Of course, this assumes the list accurately list the chassis numbers that were built. Last I knew #505 is part of the Blackhawk Collection. Ivan
Hi Eugene, Thank you for your detailed information. You were a great help for me. If there is really nobody around in this forum, who has some of these as spares for sale, there is nothing left for me but to make them, though I don't like it. Where are all the parts of the stripped Vignales now ? Would be nice to know. Alfred
I am surprised no one is mentioning this sale. Seems like a big jump. Not sure what to insure a similar car for at this point. Any inputs appreciated. Not sure if this will link but you can paste it to go to the recent Paris auction results Bill LeMasters Erreur 404 - Page introuvable | Artcurial | Briest - Poulain - F. Tajan
Hi Bill, There is already a thread: "World record for Vignale Spyder at Paris Auction" http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/maserati/426176-world-record-vignale-spyder-paris-auction.html Regards Alfred
And one in France number 931, sold in 1960 by Thepenier, carburetors, 5 speed, long hood, wire wheels. Fully restored. red/black leather. Was always in France, same owner for last 35 years.
Hey guys, Here a video of I made of this staggeringly beautiful car! Happy Easter! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Stdbnz1fc[/ame] Regards! Walter
Some drawings and renderings are available at the Michelotti's archive. We can provide you digital copies on request. Further informations in PM. I'm the the tutor of the archive. Thanks.
It's in my mind that I owned one of these for a short while, perhaps as a Ferrari trade. I can't seem to find a file or any record, but think I had one in silver. Maybe you historians can confirm? It would have been in the 60's, I think. I also had a 3500 coupe and a 200Si, but that's a different subject.
This Vignale was owned by Roger Baillon. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
