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355 5.2 fuel pressure regulator

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  1. Beetle

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    Hello all
    Has anyone had issues with fuel pressure regulator? If so what were the symptoms
     
  2. taz355

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    Depending on how severe it would be down on power,
    Obd might show fuel trims way out but that would aventually throw a cel
     
  3. Beetle

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    Isolated the issue with a bad earth to fuel pump. Not sure on the reg specs but fuel pressure is 61psi at idle?
     
  4. taz355

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    I think thats pretty close from what I saw at the track.

    Bruce or Tim would know
     
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  5. Qavion

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    For future reference, is that earth close to the pump, Paul? My diagrams are telling me the earth point is "70092", but this is the same earth point as some of the instrument backlighting and the right hand side turn repeater. Weird.
     
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  6. Beetle

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    Ian i believe that the earth wire has been damaged more than likely when the conversion was done. Its a very light gauge wire. I just made up a new earth strap and attached directly from the fuel pump assembly to the chassis under the undertray. Car starts every time !So Far! hahaha but i believe i have fixed it. At a later date i will remove the console again as the are a few earth wires terminated at the foot rest section on the LH side of tunnel. I have repaired a couple wires in there already due to a self taping screw damage GRRRRRRRR. Its all there to test our patience i think
     
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  7. Qavion

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    Bravo, Paul :) I think we'll both get there eventually... in a roundabout way (In my case, hopefully after the major this year).
     
  8. Beetle

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    I find that one the easy one for me mate sounds strange but it's straight forward
     
  9. Beetle

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    Is there a side note on your wiring diagrams that tell you where the plugs and earth locations are? I haven't seen this anywhere? Maybe I didn't print that bit out?
     
  10. Qavion

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    Unfortunately no data in this case. Quite a few of the earths are hard to track down. Only the Ferrari component number is known (Having said that, I'm only assuming that the 5.2's single pump earth is the same as the 2.7's left hand pump earth)

    I have a wire tracker, but the harnesses get really thick in places and the tracker signals get lost.
     
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  11. taz355

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    So anyone have any info on this thread to watch for when1 goes bad
     
  12. Qavion

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    #12 Qavion, Oct 12, 2021
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    Pressure regulators seem to either cause overfuelling or underfuelling.

    Did you check for fuel leaking from the regulators into the vacuum hoses? (via broken regulator diaphragms)

    How robust is the rubber hosing? Any signs of softening?

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    How does your fuel pump relay (N) socket and fuse (21) socket look on the relay panel? Any signs of melting?
     
  13. 26street

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    ? Why are asking —— you can test it with a fuel pressure gauge— at idle the pressure should be low (not sure of specs) around 2.7 bar (39 psi) or so and with the vacuum hose removed it should go up to 5 bar (73 psi) or so with a flow rate of 200 liters an hour ( 52 gallons an hour) or 3.3 liters an minute (1 gallon in a minute)
    This is probably the easiest and fastest way
    This is the pump I installed spec sheet
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  14. taz355

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    The reason I am asking is you cannot check mine or others
    Likely about half the production run or more as there is no Coupling to connect.
    Of course this makes checking the fuel pump supply pressureimpossible as well.
    You can of course disconnect and check flow but I know that does not always tell the whole story.
     
  15. taz355

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    Yes I will check tonight was tired last night
     
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    Fuel flow at filter was 1.4kg for 30 seconds
    My calculation says about 1.7 to 1.8 litres
     
  17. 26street

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    That works out to be around 3.6 liters a minute which right on with the spec sheet for the pump for Bosch




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  18. taz355

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    Thanks that’s good to know for the group
    Anyone still have news on a bad fuel pressure regulator and what the symptoms might be.
     
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  20. Zamboniman308

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    Still need to devise an accurate way to set the adjustment on them. The dual regulator is a bit of a head scratcher on a 5.2 single pump car. Wouldn't the fuel rail pressures be tied together to a degree? They aren't isolated. So if 1 regulator is working and the other isn't, what is the result? The 2 are essentially working in parallel. If there were dual pumps and each bank was fully isolated like the early cars it's real simple. Not even sure if you could reasonably set them in circuit since I would think that one would impact the other. That makes me think you'd have to isolate / block off each bank to dial in the adjustment even if you got a gauge inline.
     
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