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355 AC pressure help

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  1. nathandarby67

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    #1 nathandarby67, Jun 22, 2013
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    My 1995 has had fairly cool but not cold AC since I got it. It worked well enough until we got into the real-deal Mississippi summer a few weeks ago, and then it just wasn't able to keep up. Basically was acting like a system that likely was low on refrigerant. I have read all the AC threads I could find on here, and from some of PAP's posts know the low side pressure should be around 20-25 at idle. Anyway, here is where I am at:

    I don't have a set of full AC gauges (yet), but bought one of the cans of r134a with a low side gauge on it. Please see the video of my initial attachment before adding any r134a. The pressure started at about 10, then would slowly climb to about 30, then fall back to 10. They cycle would repeat. During this air was blowing cool, but not cold. Looking at the sight glass you can see lots of swirling bubbles. I understand this should be clear, pure liquid with no bubbles.

    I added a small amount of refrigerant, maybe 1/5 to 1/4 of the can, and the air got noticeably colder. Eventually the gauge stabilized more at around 25, but will occasionally climb and fall to 35 and back. The sight glass still has lots of bubbles. I am hesitant to add any more refrigerant at this point for fear of overfilling it.

    Ambient air temp is about 80 and humidity is approximately freaking-crazy-sticky-God-awful-sauna-terrible.

    Questions:

    Any advice on what to do next? The air now feels much colder, so how much should I worry about the bubbles in the sight glass? Should the pressure at the low side fitting fluctuate at all, or should it be rock steady? Is this fluctuating pressure symptomatic of a blockage or any other problem? I assume this is from the compressor cycling on and off and dropping down the low side pressure. Do I need to go drop $100 on a set of full high and low pressure gauges?

    Thanks brothers!

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  2. Christian Sasfai

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    I am no HVAC expert but recently had to change a couple Freon lines on mine (they had to be cut apart to change the steering rack). The A/C did not work properly since I got the vehicle anyway (which didn't much matter because it's a spider). When we removed the old lines, they were full of leak detection dye and had virtually no pressure. I think the only problem was the Schrader valves leaking (which was masked when gauges were hooked up). After fitting the new lines and valves, it would hold a good vacuum, so we didn't think there were any leaks. Recharged the system and it's stabilized around 45PSI on the low side and 125PSI on the high side. The pressures aren't perfect, but the air is ice cold so we left it alone. The air is so cold, in fact, that when I run the temperature on "cold" override and fan speed of 1 or 2 to the face vents, enough cold air 'leaks' through the defrost vents to create condensation on the OUTSIDE of the windshield. If I run the fan on "high" it would probably keep a frozen margarita frozen - even here in Texas. Sounds like your low side is low, but a dual gauge would really tell you what's going on with the entire system.
     
  3. nathandarby67

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    Mods: should this thread be moved to Technical Q&A? it may get more action there. I'm always unsure where to put technical, but somewhat model specific threads. I figure the principles behind AC systems are the same on every car, so maybe this thread is better suited in the general technical section?

    After more reading, I am assuming I am still somewhat low on r134a, given the large amount of bubbles still visible in the sight glass. I think the fluctuating pressure is the compressor sucking the low side until pressure drops to much, then kicking back on once pressure increases. This would happen in a setting of low refrigerant, correct? I may try adding a bit more and see where that gets me. Air feels cooler, but not COLD yet. I want ice cubes like Christian! :D
     
  4. Christian Sasfai

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    It could also be indicative of a blocked expansion valve. In that case, yes, the compressor would 'suck' down the low side. What you would see on the other gauge, however, would be a very high pressure on the high side (as all that pressure that the compressor built up tries to go through a blocked valve and can't get back to the low side). Probably worth finding someone that will throw a set of gauges on it and see what it's doing.
     
  5. nathandarby67

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    Nah.

    What this is, good sir, is a REASON (wife would say "excuse") to buy More Tools. No man should let such an opportunity pass. Just ordered a set of manifold gauges on Amazon. Will update when I get them on the car and can take a reading.

    Hmmm....will probably need a good vacuum pump while I'm at it.... :D
     
  6. gobuffs2002

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    Nathan, don't go crazy like I did. A trip to Big-O, and $159 later and my car was blowing ice cubes. I took the front covers to expose the a/c ports, they attached their machine, 30 minutes later it was all done. My problem was one of the caps on the low side ports was causing a slow leak of r134.
     
  7. Dave Monk

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    The bubbles indicate gas state refrigerant before the expansion device. There should be only liquid refrigerant to the valve. Carefully add refrigerant until the bubbles subside. At that point you should be right on. Also, make sure your blower is on high and set to recirculate for best charging performance. Of course, this assumes your blower, fans, expansion valve, and compressor are all in correct working condition. If you get a set of gauges that include the high-side pressure you will be able to discover an over-charge condition where you have too much liquid refrigerant backed up in the condenser resulting in high condensing pressures due to lack of change-of-state of refrigerant in the condenser. Good luck.
     
  8. 355rockit

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    So Big-O can recharge using the older refrigerant? I am kind off Leary of Big-O for my F355. My AC gets luke-warm when it is hot out and get nice and cool when it is warm out. I have a new AC pump that was installed when I bought the car a couple of years back and has never really blown cold on hot days.
     
  9. F355Bob

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    My a/c never blew real cold air in the 13 years I have owned it. This summer I pinched off the water hose that goes to that "mixer" valve in the trunk. Now my car blows super cold air and I only need the fan on setting 1 or 2 even in 90 degree days. The valve has been leaking and warming my cold air.
     
  10. SupercarGuru

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    Where is this valve? Trying to get my AC a little colder for a daily driver in Miami heat!
     
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