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355 Berlinetta vs GTS vs Spider is there much difference

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  1. 8500rpm

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    Wow, this is very interesting. It would be hilarious if the Berlinetta ended up being the least rigid car. Us B owners would be very quiet for a few days!!
     
  2. GerryD

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    #152 GerryD, Nov 6, 2014
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    He did say that the B is by far the most rigid.
     
  3. INTMD8

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    Of course it does :)

    Great post btw
     
  4. Dave rocks

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    Oh boy.... Watch how quiet this thread gets :)
     
  5. peterdavid911

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    Excellent feedback, thanks for that!
     
  6. yelcab

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    Those twelve girls in the picture must be the accounting staff that were laid off for 15 days during the shut down and had to pose with random red-driving-suit wearers to make ends meet. I feel sorry for the girls.
     
  7. phrogs

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    Ok answer this does anyone else experience cracks in the rear quarters like the B's do??
     
  8. Robb

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    Great Post. Great story.

    We all need more good stories in the 348/355 section!

    So everyone get busy being a reporter for a while.

    Robb

     
  9. drbob101

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    If your roof panel adds to rigidity then it by definition reduces rigidity when it is out. You can't have it both ways. And they would have had to quantify the rigidity with the panel in and with it out.

    I would be sure your removable rigidity panel is in when doing high rev f1 shifts and putting the car on your 2 post lift.
     
  10. fatbillybob

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    I find that really hard to believe. 2 inches is a chassis failure. There can be no recall for that. That would mean a new chassis with new vin and all the ramifications of that. If it was that bad they could have put the car on a lift and it would bend back so problem solved. I call bs on that. Flex yes 2 inches...not likely.
     
  11. Steve355F1

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    Nice one Gerry, thanks.

    You are a man of your word! :)
     
  12. Dave rocks

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    #162 Dave rocks, Nov 7, 2014
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    I already stated several times that it does not help in that situation because the panel would be in tension and it cannot be since the one side has pins. On my 95 vette, it was bolted so it could help.

    And Gerry posted against his own belief so I 'm sure he is being honest, and that's pretty respectful.
     
  13. AlfistaPortoghese

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    GerryD has been of service to us all. Thank you for your feedback. This is what FChat is all about. Respect!

    Kind regards,

    Nuno.
     
  14. lotusk

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    Do not believe this story
    I call major BS

    Ferrari made GTS mid engine cars for what 20 years before the 348....thousands of them 308, 328, Dinos....do we really think that they would then design a GTS that was so chassis flawed that the car bent itself?..... And I have never heard of 348's being recalled because the chassis bent....and i have never heard of the factory closing down for 15 days...and if this was true what exactly did they do to these 348's that were recalled to make them stable?
     
  15. PeteyP

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    I've heard of 348s being recalled due to self locking nut in on the steering colum coming loose....
    alternator issues, and set belt adjustments... but never for chassis flex.
     
  16. Dave rocks

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    Guys, I suspect (again, suspect) he is referring to the very first cars released (in Europe). Recall may have been non-US cars and very early 1st run production.

    I'm sure someone can confirm or deny that story.
     
  17. Robb

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    My mechanic worked at Ferrari at the factory during the same time period.

    He verified that the 348 TS had initial problems with stiffness and had to be "retrofitted" with extra reinforcement in the frame rails.

    He said that one of the cars was taken up on a hoist lift and they could not get the doors to close.

    It may have been during prototype to full line production transition.

    I think knowing all these stories from the past is great! Looks like they worked out the kinks. The truth is always more interesting than fiction.

    Robb
     
  18. Challenge

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    Read it again a couple of times BEFORE typing anything else. He said the targa opening had to be reduced 2 inches to prevent the warp/flex...NOT that the warp/flex was 2 inches.
     
  19. bobzdar

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    That's not what the post says, but would make more sense.
     
  20. lotusk

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    No

    You READ IT AGAIN BEFORE TYPING.

    Mr capitals I don't know what i'm talking about.

    Jeez

    Chinese whispers or what??
     
  21. fatbillybob

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    Amazing eh???
     
  22. lotusk

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    Depressing more like.

    I see this kind of inaccuracy everyday all around me.
    Takes time and energy away from doing whatever it is the right way.


    No matter it was probably a silly oversight.

    Still can't believe early 348 GTS' buckled in the middle and some were recalled...2 inches?
    Nah
     
  23. driveitdaily

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    I heard the fix for the problem was thicker , more rigid carpeting


    " serenity now "
     
  24. GerryD

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    People like you make me laugh. I was going to write more but I don't have the time or the inclination to respond to your passing of wind.
     
  25. GerryD

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    #175 GerryD, Nov 8, 2014
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    What I was saying Pete was that when the prototype came back after a major road test, the opening for the roof was a full 2 inches off and the top would not fit because the opening was smaller by 2 inches. The first 348s were then built thinking that the problem was fixed but they found out it was not fully fixed and those cars had to be recalled and more strength had to be built into the frame rails. This cost the company so much that it almost put them under. And yes the factory was closed and everyone laid off without pay for 15 days. This clarification is not meant for you Pete but some others in here. The introduction of the 355 pulled the company out of a deep hole and the rest is history.
    Thank you Steve, Peter and Nuno

    Heres and old Shell commercial. Max is driving the Ferrari.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T31-B16wBPg
     

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