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355 F1 Gear box problem ?

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  1. dj39355

    dj39355 Karting

    May 22, 2006
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    NORWAY
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    Jostein Ferkingstad
    My 98 355 F1 Spider went through a 18 k + cambelt change service recently.
    It was discovered during the service that a wrong type of oil was used before on the gearbox , most likely the same oil as on the electrically-driven gear box(since it was red) which is Shell Donax TX. The Gear oil was then changed to the correct type: Shell Transaxle oil SAE-75W90. There was not any problem with the above prior to this service. Gearshift was then OK

    When I arrived to pick up the car, it was discovered that it was very hard to get it into revers, need to do several attempt, and I decide to not drive home at that time ( 12 hrs drive from the workshop). The workshop belived that it was something wrong with the clutch, and changed out the pressure plate and the clutch position sensor, the clutch plate was not in spare and was not changed. I change the clutch for approx 3000 miles ago, and it does not "slip" . Unfortunatly this repar dident help, I decide to drive home because of holiday the day after etc.

    During the journey home I noticed that the gearshift display flash some times, especially at 3rd or 4th gear during low revs.

    I also noticed last time I was home (working abroad) that when I should try to put in to 2nd gear from standstill, that the car went to neutral. It seems for me that the problem is mainly from standstill or during "automatic" downshifting at low revs

    I have never had any gearbox alarm in the car, is there anybody "out there" which can have an idea what this is ?

    Best Regards Jostein
     
  2. tstafford

    tstafford Formula Junior

    Mar 4, 2006
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    Nashville
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    Tim
    You might post this in the tech forum as well to get more responses.
     
  3. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

    Mar 21, 2003
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    Regarding the gear box oil there are alot of cars that use auto transmision (red) in manual boxes. So who ever put in the auto fluid thought it was ok to do so becourse of this reason.
     
  4. dj39355

    dj39355 Karting

    May 22, 2006
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    Jostein Ferkingstad
    Thanks for replay, I was afraid that this type of oil could destroy (worn out) the gear box, but hopefully not then.

    Have received some feedback on an other Ferrari forum and the replay certainely "calm me down". Have to admit that the situation has caused a bit of extra stress for me.

    http://******************/showthread.php?t=6281

    Have a nice day

    Best Regards Jostein
     
  5. dj39355

    dj39355 Karting

    May 22, 2006
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    Jostein Ferkingstad
    Seems like the link was not allowed to be enter, the replay I got was as follow:

    "The gear oil change had nothing to do with your problems. The shop you use, are they up to speed on the F1 transmissions? Have you been using the same workshop for a while now? How did the wrong oil get into the transmission in the first place?

    The reason I ask all these questions is that for someone equipped (SD1 or 2) and knowledgeable to work on that car the diagnosis and resolution is not hard and you sound as if there has been some history of trouble. It sounds to me as though what you really need is a new workshop.

    Tell them to perform a cycle check on the car and that will tell them what is wrong. If they look at you with a quizzical look, put the car on a tow truck and find someone competent to fix it."

    The mechanic which was working with the car was not familiar with the F1 gearbox or SD1 -2, he dident managed to get it through a full cycle. However it should be mentioned that this problem was not a part of the original service, it was discoverd shorthly before I arrive back to pick-up the car. The expert on SD1 - 2 was not available that day

    /Jostein
     
  6. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

    Mar 21, 2003
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    Dude becourse of insecuritys of this forum.......The F c a r s forum links cannot be shown on here:D
    But i to am on that forum (one of the original members) and read your question to. ;)
     
  7. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

    Jan 3, 2004
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    Very closly inspect the wiring to the (2)electrical plugs by the left rear shock tower. Has any of the wiring been re-wrapped or altered in any way? Follow the wiring both directions from both of the plugs and report back

    Dave
     
  8. dj39355

    dj39355 Karting

    May 22, 2006
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    Jostein Ferkingstad
    Hi Dave and thanks for input

    I will check this when I come home ( working abroad on a fix rota). I do not know anything about the wiring, it has certainely not been done by me, since I unfortunatly not have that type of knowledge

    Regards Jostein
     
  9. dj39355

    dj39355 Karting

    May 22, 2006
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    Jostein Ferkingstad
    Dave, The engine has been out in connection with cam belt change, could it be possible that the wiring could be affected then? As I mentioned before, the gear shift was OK prior to this service.

    Best Regards Jostein
     
  10. DavidsF355Spider

    DavidsF355Spider Formula Junior

    Jul 3, 2005
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    Torrance, California
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    David
    Some of the problems you said sound the same as some I had, and it was a relay switch behind the drivers seat. There are three relays and it was the one in the middle. It only cost $75, so you may want to try that, that's not tooo big of a price, alot cheaper than the clutch. Good luck
     
  11. dj39355

    dj39355 Karting

    May 22, 2006
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    Jostein Ferkingstad
    Thanks David, certainely worth trying instead of drive in total 1100 miles (to/from) to the nearest workshop. Do you know what those relays "working task" are ?

    Best Regards Jostein
     
  12. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

    Jan 3, 2004
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    Yes, it is possible to incorrectly swap connectors and burn up the wiring. That is why I want you to inspect this area and see if it is a shop induced problem.

    Dave
     

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