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Discussion in '348/355' started by vvassallo, Nov 4, 2006.

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  1. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

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    I am looking for a 355, but was only considering a 6-speed. Well, a nice F1 car has come my direction and I wanted to pool the members for their thoughts. How many of u guys have one of these?

    How do u drive them? (A) Do you drive them like an automatic in either auto mode or as an auto shifter? OR (B) Do you drive them like a manual, just without the clutch?

    Do you lift off the accelerator when upshifting and downshifting or just keep your right foot planted?

    Do you put the trans in neutral at traffic stops and lights, or do you just hold the brake like a auto trans?

    What kind of maintenance is there for the F1 that the manual doesn't have?

    How can u tell if an F1 trans was abused and what r the signs that it needs maintenance, short of a PPI?

    What kind of horror stories r there related to the F1 and are these heresay or documented?

    Lastly, at the risk of starting a feud - what's the consensus opinion of the F1 in the 355?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Just ask a question.. WHOA!!!
    Anyway I have had my 355F1 for almost a month and love it. I haven't used the auto mode yet. I always up and down shift with the paddle.
    When upshifting hard, I let out of the throttle a hair--seems to shift a little smoother especially in Sport mode.
    I usually keep the car in 1st gear when at a light, with my foot on the brake.
    If you take your foot off the brake for more than about 8-10 seconds it automatically shifts into Neutral.
    Of course if a problem arises there is more of a cost than a manual car..
     
  3. campbell53

    campbell53 Karting

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    I just took delivery of 99 355 F1 yesterday. I can't give you an indepth review but I personally never considered anything but this trans. For starters...my buddy has a Maserati with the same trans and loves it. All of my research pointed to a pretty solid system with no glaring weak points. And, finally, I just thought that the system was way cool and more technologically advanced. Just my personal 2 cents. If the car you are looking at checks out (do you know the service history?...mine just had the 30k done last week along with clutch replacement for additional $1200) I would seriously consider it. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
     
  4. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    Ok 6-speed opinion time :D.

    No disrespect to the F1 version. I consider myself a sort of driving purist...........the more I get to do, the better!! I love coordinating my movements for my best shifting efficiency. Especially around turns, it is even more challenging!!! I get to heel/toe the pedals :p !!!That is one of the reasons I went F-car from P-cars. P-cars were getting too civilized and when they started putting cupholders in their cars, well that just crossed the line!

    So in sumation, using Jeremy Clarkson's words: "I don't want anything making decisions between me and the car" This was in reference to his choice between the Enzo and the F40. His choice....the "F40" because of the lack of power/electronic gadget anything!!!

    Thank you Jeremy, I couldn't agree more :D
     
  5. ferraridriver

    ferraridriver F1 Rookie

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    I drove both and bought a F1. Seven years and 21,000 miles later I like it so much I am keeping it when my 599 comes.

    After 50 years I’ve had my fill of driving sticks.

    BTW, I never use Auto mode, it sucks.
     
  6. vvassallo

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    I was going to wait for other answers, but there may not be any more. As for 6-speeds, I still prefer it, but drove 2 different versions in a BMW and Audi today as a trial. Audi is DSG - very cool - a dual clutches on sequential gears that shift like an automatic without the jerkiness. And a BMW 6-speed steptronic on a new 335i - also very cool - an automatic that has been improved to mimic a sequential manual gearabox and does so very well.

    So as for an F1, I have heard that u shift them like a manual, lifting a bit on shifts to take stress off the gerabox. But, some say that the ECM blips the throttle regardless of pedal position. I don't know.

    Next, it is said that the F1 experiences greater maintenance due to its complexity (more parts) and smaller clutches (for packaging). Then I heard that maintenance is about on par with 6-speeds but far more frequently because of the parts and general driver ignorance in their driving habits - i.e., not making the mental adjustment from auto to manual shifting automatically. Ur supposed to put the car in neutral at stops, the mechs say. Got me.

    So that's y the questions. What's the truth? I guess I have to drive the F1 first, eh? Then have it checked out. My experienced friend the driving instructor said it just isn't quite right versus a true manual on the track. It's not Schuey's car.

    I am confused. I'll try it then report back.
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Clutches are the same part. Life is very variable depending on a host of things but can last well. Computer does not use it as well as you, simple as that.

    The systems are pretty good and getting better all the time but it is more complex and long term, something, sometime, will break. When it does it has the potential of being expensive.

    Cars with the system are best suited for the track or country roads and are at their worst in an urban enviornment. The newest F1 equipped cars are getting very good however and the last comment applies little to them.

    Shifting is intended to be done without moving throttle foot. No need.

    One mistake many (most) make with the F1 is to evaluate the car in an hour or less test drive. You really do need to drive the car differently with one and there is no way an hour drive will reveal what an F1 can be like. I liken the learning experience and curve to going from a typewriter to a word processor. Trying to use a word processor like a typewriter will not be a satisfactory experience. Same with F1. I drive owners in their cars all the time and get comments like "I didn't know it could do that" or "How did you do that?". Many owners take some time to really figure them out and they are not always a lot of fun until you do.
     
  8. CarCrazy

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    I have a 99 355 GTS F1 and really like it. One could write a novel to answer all your questions. First off in the 355's there is no "Blipping" of the throttle by the computer. I'm sure someone will disagree with this but it is a FACT.
    I don't like the auto mode and really never use it. Like anything mechanical ... take care of it, regular maintenance & don't beat the living sh*t out of it & you should have very few problems. At traffic lite I go into neutral with the paddles just to take the strain off. Sometimes I lift alittle to shift & other times just keep the foot planted ... depends on what my fun factor is at that time. You have to drive an F1 for awhile to really appreciate it and know how to use it vs stick. A quick drive isn't going to tell you too much. If you want to save $$ buy the stick but the F1 is really the way to go. As far as costs go ... Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche etc we as owners all know going into one of these cars is that "you pay to play" ... otherwise buy a Honda Accord.
     
  9. ferraridriver

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    The only problem I have is occasionally lifting the turn indicator stalk in the Excursion to downshift. :) :)
     
  10. dougburhyte

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    My vote also goes with the F1 crowd. I had a Maserati with the cambio corsa (F1 equivalent) and my current '99 355 has the F1 transmission. Like others have mentioned, once you get used to it, it's pretty hard to go back to a manual. And so far (knock on wood) no problems at the 19K mile point.
     
  11. vvassallo

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    Excellent responses all. Thank you. Yes, I will have to put one thru its paces to evaluate. And rifledriver, the comment about spending more time with them is taken. Unfortunately the owner is not about to let me take his car out for a weekend of fun, so the 30 min. to an hour test ill have to do. And of course I will get a PPI when it comes down to making an offer. FYI, I'm looking at a low mileage (under 20K) 1999 F1 GTB for high $70's. I might be able to get it down further depending on the owner's motivation.

    I do sense that once u go F1, it's pretty hard to go back to a manual (I'm old and too easily confused to be able to drive different configurations day to day). Lastly, I like Clarkson, but sometimes he is an iconoclastic ignoramous!
     
  12. gothspeed

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    Well looks like the F1 "mob" has spoken......and I was the only 6-speed opinion :(.
     
  13. lusso64

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    Probably because the 6 speed is more traditional and we all feel comfortable in our ability to change our own gears :)
     
  14. gothspeed

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    :D
     
  15. Bullfighter

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    I would go for the six speed, but haven't been in an F1 355 so can't speak from experience there.

    I really enjoy shifting my 328, and with more power and a newer gearbox the 355 would have to be even better. I also like simplicity in my cars. I'd tend to agree with Clarkson - I'd eagerly take an F40 over an Enzo.

    Figure out what you like the most and go that way. The whole reason these cars exist is fun, unless you're planning to use it to deliver pizzas.
     
  16. Big D

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    I have had my 1979 308 GTS for ten years, and my 99 355F1 for two years,I enjoy both cars, but prefer driving the F1, my only negative is the F1 in traffic is a bit of a pain shifting in and out of neutral, I was instructed to shift to neutral when approaching a stop sign to reduce clutch wear, do I have a concern later on about replacing parts - yes - but hopefully as time goes on there will be info (adapting 360 parts to the 355 etc.), the chat lines have been most helpful. Whichever car you get - enjoy.
     
  17. van22

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    i think the f1 transmission is very cool, if you've never owned a ferrari before i would recommend a 6 speed just for the patented rifle shifter nothing like it in the automotive world. that's just my opinion. if its not your first ferrari then get the f1.
     
  18. gothspeed

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    I think the 6-speed shifter says classic Ferrari all over it. :D
     
  19. 285ferrari

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    I was told that is a bunch of hype. When the car is stopped there is no strain on the clutch--no need to put it in neutral...
     
  20. Rifledriver

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    Advice given by someone who actually went to the trouble of finding out how it all works instead of a salesman whose product knowledge came from the sports section of the newspaper.
     
  21. E60 M5

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    . As far as costs go ... Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche etc we as owners all know going into one of these cars is that "you pay to play" ... otherwise buy a Honda Accord.[/QUOTE]


    I always love these statements!! Pretty funny when you are telling me a $12k car is more reliable than a $150k car!Who is the fool here!!!??? For all the talk of quality of building!!

    On a side note, the wife and I were looking at the F1 360 and F1 355 at FOW last night and this thread is coming along at a good time! I am currently driving the SMGIII system in the BMW M5 and have had zero problems at 10k miles and I love it!!!! The blips alone are worth the cost of admission!
    I think buying the 355 F1 and saving about $20-30k would be wiser, I just don't want to make a mistake and regret not moving up to the 360 F1.
    Thanks guys your help is always appreciated!!

    Robert
     

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