So. Now that I can drive my car, it seems It will not start after it has been driven for awhile. Get in car. Disable alarm Put in key & turn to position II Lights light up. Put foot on brake Select neutral Turn key to position III Nothing...no crank no start. nothing. Sometimes if I hold it there it will start after a what seems like forever (5 seconds). Sometimes it simply does not start. I left it over night a friends house last night because of this. Went there this morning at 7:00, disabled alarm and fired it up and drove home. I can not rely on this and need it corrected. I have my guesses but figured I will ask the brain trust here.. Any ideas out there?
If you had a recent engine out I would look at all the wiring at the plugs or possible damaged wires by the firewall when they took the motor out. Always look back at the last things you did before the issue started Good luck
Thanks guys. Pretty sure it is not related to the F1 system. Yes, very recent engine out service. I have chased wire pins for three days It is either: 1 - ignition key. But that seems to work. I did pull the connector and clean the contacts. The door open alarm now sounds...what an annoying tone. 2 - Alarm system. When I arm the system I get one beep...then 4 beeps saying something is not armed correctly. But all is good. Doors, hood, trunk & lift device seem fine. Starter was rebuilt & tested (twice) Solenoid wire to the stater is fine. It is weird in that sometimes it works fine. But after a drive, no start, no crank, nothing.
Yes first thing to check, try hot wire the starter to see if it cranks when it don't work with the key. Could be heating up and the plunger is not working due to bad clearance. If it does not jump start then you need to set the clearance better with these parts. I always "trim" them down a bit before installing Image Unavailable, Please Login
COuld just be a Junk rebuilt starter, Wouldn't be the first one . But I have had cars where after it gets hot the stater will not work no click no nothing its just DRT Dead Right There.
Never a stupid question Its the contact plunger assembly from the starter, basicly the switch inside that goes bad with the copper contacts
I put lead on the solenoid wire and pulled it into the car. The car managed to repeat the no start condition (only happens hot) I get power to the solenoid put it will not engage....sometimes if I hold the key in the start position and wait it will start. So....guessing the rebuilt starter is the problem. Not the immobilizer or key.
Yeah All you have to do is put a wire from the solenoid to the battery cable on the started, stay in the back of the car, do that and give the starter a "wack " if it cranks you found it Think you found it anyway. The replacement plungers are not perfectly sized and need to be shaved down a bit to be perfect. This copper connectors need to contact each other evenly also. Good luck
Funny, just as you suggested, I was about to get out the hammer and give it a whack....but based on the 1/2 moon dings on the starter I am not the first one at this rodeo. So, out it comes. Pretty easy. I may just rebuild this one myself. I had a local shop do this one and it didn't turn out so good In fact I think I have the same bag-o-parts you posted a picture of sitting somewhere in this garage. Thanks for your help folks.
I am sure you got this fixed. My question is did you rebuild your own starter? Mine is acting up now and i think its time to rebuild it.
The starter was fully rebuilt. It did not fix the problem. It tested perfect on the bench, but still failed in the car once warmed up (or when things were cold outside) My theory was a short in the windings that seperated once heated or cooled past ambient. Once that happened the starter would not work unless, by chance the, the winding reconnected. I bought a NOS starter from FerrParts last July and it has been perfect ever since.
"FULLY" rebuilt in today's world is the plunger spring and contacts. Not the windings. Still have the old one...I never did ask about rewinding the motor and am certain it can be done, for a price. Maybe this winter when things calm down I'll drag it in for an estimate.
If the starter did nothing at all when it failed to start all you need is a new solenoid, not new windings in the starter motor itself. That's actually pretty common. In the old days remanufactured starters had new solenoids fitted, but anymore it's a crap shoot as to whether or not you're just buying some one else's former problem when you purchase a reman starter.
That's what I thought....But that's wrong in this case. Fixed enough starters over the years to not even think twice about the rebuild. I fixed this one three times. Each time it worked fine on the bench and in the car. That is until it heated up. Then no joy. Once hot, hold the key in position III and wait and without cause or reason, it engaged after a wait. Sometimes as long as 30 seconds. Sometimes not at all. I'll bet anyone who cares to take me up that the windings have a short.
I'll bet it's an open not a short, it gets heated up and breaks connection, that's called an open circuit, a short circuit would probably blow a fuse
