355 Fabspeed Headers

Classic coach is a reputable shop. I see no reason to question their statements. Time and miles will tell the final story. Imo anyone eating cats has a mixture control problem.

 

70001695 is a real part number. Includes manifolds, gaskets and donuts.

 

Getting more and more interesting. Thanks Daniel.

 

70001695 EXH KIT 355(MANIFOLDS+GASKETS) 5.2 0 3,624.03

 

Is this only for the 5.2 cars or is there a version for the 2.7 cars as well?

 

anyone find a 2.7?

 

OEM Ferrari sometimes isn't the best solution and sometimes can be the worst.

Companies like Hill Engineering exist because of poor Ferrari parts. I don't see how Ferrari has to be given another chance when the OEMs fail. I prefer trusting an aftermarket solution.

So far haven't heard of anyone who has Fabspeed on their car suffering Header failure.

 

Funny. Last time I looked I owned a Ferrsri.

The name of this site is Ferrari chat

My car is a Ferrari. Not a Fabsoeed

I paid what I paid for my car because it is a Ferrari.

I was told by a Ferrari dealer that my Ferrari headers are the best option out there for replacement and I was also told by Dave Helms precisely the same thing

I got a Ferrari because I wanted a Ferrari.

 

I understand both sides of the debate. In many cases I would agree that aftermarket parts may be superior but at the same time, they may not.

The only heat shields I like are OEM. And, I'd like to keep my car original where possible and practical.

Yes, I've got aftermarket shields and a Hill dead pedal. Aside from adding yellow calipers (while keeping my stock set), that's probably as far as I'll go for what can be seen. I'm cool with Hill parts that are inside the engine.

I'd really like to hollow out my CAT's instead of Hyperflow but I need to research and see if the ECU can be faked out....

In summary, I agree w/ Bob on the headers, OEM all the way...

 

Sorry. Wasn't trying to hijack a thread. John asked a question Fabsoeed/nouvalari and as someone who recently went through that thought process I wanted to inform the members that Ferrari has drastically lowered their prices on OEM headers and those looking at options might like to consider them as they were Cost prohibitive previously.

 

Geeeeeees, are we going the route of the politicians? Can't go a little off topic? I mean the question asked by the OP was answered so I just wanted to have a conversation but it looks like some people don't want to negotiate. Better close down the thread.

Anyway here's what I get from the thread so far. FS headers are plug and play except that maybe a bolt hole or two has to be enlarged. They can be installed w the engine in. There is an option for OEM headers that are supposed to be of better quality then the original OME, but they are only available for the 5.2 cars (PM from Ricambi). And, apparently no one has an opinion on Nouvalari headers. Oh, and Dave wants hollowed out OEM cats of which I have a pair but they are going back on my car now that it's through emissions. No CELs with them but my car is a 95 so no post cat O2 sensors.

 

If that's what OEM headers are now going for then the after market metal is going to be dropping huge. Ive always said that the headers need to be insulated and will always stand by that. And yes I too have heard that the new OEM headers are improved.

 

Seems like you and Dave are all part of the best threads. That was a joke son.

 

You have a Ferrari made up of parts from suppliers all over the world. These include some very pedestrian components shared by cars you might not expect. One only needs to look over the parts in the Interchange thread on Fchat to see that your "Ferrari" is also a VW, a Chevy and a Renault...Very often specialist aftermarket parts exceed the quality of parts designed for mass production....you will still have a Ferrari..even if you choose to improve it. If you are going for a Platinum Award at a show, then of course keeping your car 100 % as delivered would be critical...otherwise, don't look down on those who see value in the aftermarket.

 

Your point is well taken Ed

I think that in discussing header options in the past OEMs were never mentioned as the price point made them prohibitive. Now that Ferrari has cut the price to a competitive level they are in the game now as a viable option

I heard in this thread an insinuation that they were not real OEM parts, that they have not been improved over original design and that other aftermarket options were better.

Now that they are in the field of options as a talking point for those who want to havevtheir cars close to OEM design they have a choice.

Two Platinum awards here so I would say my die is cast. 😉

 

So was the lead in to my post.... Must be an East vs West thing.

By the way, still no opinions on Nouvalari headers?

 

-When the cheap plastic crappy radiators go out on the 355, will you buy the same OEM ones for 1100$ each or the Saldana racing ALL-Aluminium aftermarket equivalent for $900?

-When the horrible finish on the interior parts get all sticky do you order new Oem ones or get them from stickynomore?

-When the clutch bearing Ferrari puts in the car goes, do you put the Hill Engineering or the Oem one?

There are many many examples of OEM parts from Ferrari being expensive and much lesser quality than aftermarket improvements. Headers are a perfect example of this because OEM are ALL going to fail on the 355. You want to risk going OEM again? Fine, suit yourself but you can't accuse others looking for a better aftermarket solution of improper care of their Ferrari.

Even Ricambi has many examples of aftermarket parts listed on the site which they reccomend.

I don't believe for a minute Ferrari changed anything to the headers, they don't care....they won't even look at you unless you have an FF, F12 or 458 these days. They still haven't admitted to the sticky problem and kept using the same coating on the newer cars last I heard.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

This is a very interesting development. Until now if / when my headers fail (my car has 21k miles) I was just going to bend over and buy Tubi.

However, if the option is now there to buy improved Ferrari headers for $3k less than Tubis, I think that changes everything.

 

You absolutely do not know that they will fail again and that is just wrong to say that. How do you know that? What proof do you have that all OEM headers are going to fail? That is just an over the top statement that has no credibility at all.

I am not accusing anyone of anything. It is your car and my car so we do what we want and put what we want on them. For me an improved OEM header at close to the same price as some after market one is a much better solution. I was also advised to me by Dave Helms and the Ferrari shop that works on my car as well. They have a full racing development shop and team so they know performance enhancement and aftermarket parts.

As I said, at a $3600 price point , including fitment parts it is a competitive product to any others being marketed to 355 owners. My OEM originals lasted 20000 miles and 16 years so if these even last just that long I am fine with that as well.

One of the more desirable aftermarket options in my opinion needs a core heat shield from an OEM header. The new OEM option has the desirable heat shield as it was originally designed of course.

 

My Fabspeed headers are ceramic coated, setup catless & I have the 2 small shields that come in the Fabspeed kit and I have no heat issues at all.

 

The header issue is like the valve guide issue.....

I've not seen any proof that EVERY header will fail.

Like Bob said, he got around 20K on the first set and if the second set lasts that long it might be worth it.

But, if you like aftermarket headers, that's cool (no pun intended ) too ;-)

 

Sounds like your car probably runs a lot better than a lot of the cars here. You gotta drive em!! The headers will make you very, very happy with the sound and performance. It's a perfect upgrade to bring new life to the old girl keep enjoying those miles.

 

Time for another thread...

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355/424893-anyone-here-have-high-mileage-355-original-headers.html#post142653085

 

Bob, did Dave tell you how these new oem headers were improved? It shouldn't be that hard to find out if Ferrari had them made with better and thicker materials? The dealership should be able to provide information on the improvements, especially if this is how they are being marketed. I spoke to a sponsor about 1 year ago about the Ferrari headers. They were selling for a little more than $4000 at the time. I told him that I didn't want to put another set of oem headers on my car if the same material was still being used. He didn't give me any information on how these headers were improved but stated that they would last on my car for quite awhile. Just curious and a little suspicious. My oem headers have lasted 9000 miles and 18 years.