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355 lets discuss the vacume system

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  1. taz355

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    After lionworks problem with his bypass I thought maybe people smarter than me could post a pic of the vacume tank, two solenoids, and varius connections and discuss the process of hiw it works.

    Maybe its not that difficult as I think I understand most of it.

    This may help others trying to diagnose a problem.

    To me the plumbing services two processes.

    When starting the sec air pump pushes air through the valves into each bank to aid air so ecu adds fuel to heat cats.
    Once warmed up it serves to provide vacume mostly for bypass operation.

    Is this correct??
     
  2. markcF355

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    I think you are correct. I'm not sure what the second air solenoid valve that goes from the vacuum source to the exhaust tube does. The check valves would prevent them from acting like an EGR or would they?
     
  3. st4rk

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    Right image:

    Vacuum comes from throttle bodies and goes through valves (20) into a hose (22). Two hoses/valves on each side of throttle bodies join into one vacuum line that runs to the vacuum canister which is an old tomato can (left image, 6) susceptible to rust and deterioration.

    On the left image:

    Vacuum gets stored in the tomato can and runs down to the two solenoids (8) through a rubber tube with a junction (11, 10, 9). One solenoid (on the right) lets air go to the pump which makes a loud whining sound on startup and pushes air through an overly expensive metal pipe to the cats for some bull**** emissions related crap. The left solenoid takes vacuum (at certain rpms, gear, and throttle input) through a rubber tube (35) to the aforementioned overly expensive metal pipe (36) (via a nipple which can become brittle and crack off) to another rubber tube to activate the stupid bypass valve which makes the quiet exhaust louder, even though it's a Ferrari and should be loud all the time.

    That's my in-depth explanation from what I remember. Other notes:

    -Stock bypass valve needs 10hg to open
    -Plugging the valve port on the bypass valve with your finger should barely hold the valve open, and you should feel suction, that is good. The valve won't stay open because your finger isn't providing continuous vacuum
    -6-8hg on idle is normal, it will spike with throttle application and instant release
    -Individual throttle body setups suck at providing vacuum
    -The vacuum reservoir cannot provide enough vacuum to open the bypass valve on a cold start, you need to wait a few minutes (however, you shouldn't be providing that much throttle input on a cold start anyways...)
    -The air pump has nothing to do with bypass valve operation, it is pushing carbons out on cold starts and eventually shuts off
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  4. drbob101

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    Fantastic explanation!

    You say I one solenoid let's air go to the aux pump. Do you mean the vacuum activates the solenoid which in turn activates the pump? Is it the vacuum that determines how long the pump stays on for?
     
  5. Dave rocks

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    One solenoid operates a shut off valve for the secondary air pump output and the other operates the bypass valve
     
  6. taz355

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    The ecu electrically operates the pump and at the same time operates the solenoid so the air from the pump can. Go through the normally closed valve from the pump.

    My thing was the air from the pump travels to the exhaust through another 1 way check valve when the air pump is energised but when its not nergised does it just act as a transfer for vacume from the soup can as mentioned earlier??
     
  7. taz355

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    I think the same for the solenoids. This is their function as far as I understand as well.
     
  8. taz355

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    So from ST4RKs post does line 22 in bottom pick turn into line 16 from top pic ??
     
  9. Dave rocks

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    I don't believe so. The pump supplies air to the secondary injection system, I believe that is all.
     
  10. Lionworks Auto

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    From all my bench testing, these solenoid are just simple boost type valves. They either allow flow thru one way or another.
     
  11. taz355

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    And with that as long as the plug fits the wiring woukd not matter because if its backwards you would just switch the vac line.

    Does that sound correct??
     
  12. taz355

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    I did not mean the pump I just meant the line. I did not say that though.
     

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