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355 Paint Questions

Discussion in '348/355' started by BrandSB, Jul 30, 2009.

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  1. BrandSB

    BrandSB Karting

    Jun 11, 2008
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    I'm preparing to do some detailing on my 'new' 22k mile 355 to get rid of a few paint blemishes. Since I've only got experience with detailing two-stage, clearcoat-basecoat vehicles I'm trying to clarify what the 355 paint system is. I've heard both descriptions e.g. a) its a single stage with only a base-coat and b) it's got both a clear and base coat. Since I'm picking up color (red) on my detail microfibers, I'm assuming it does NOT have a clearcoat? If not, how careful do I need to be to not go too deep with a Porter Cable orbital when polishing e.g. how fragile is the paint?

    Feedback and experiences are appreciated....!
     
  2. 355dreamer

    355dreamer F1 World Champ
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    I was always under the impression that 95 were the last of the single stage paint cars. Others will clarify Im sure.
     
  3. UConn Husky

    UConn Husky F1 Rookie

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    I was told it is not a clear coat. When I had my bumper resprayed I went with a clear coat for extra chip protection, looks fine to me. Of course it is yellow...which you cannot look at directly in the sun without being blinded! I imagine red might be tougher to match and might show differently with a clear coat.
     
  4. BrandSB

    BrandSB Karting

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    The clearcoat option is a great point. I've also posted this question on the Tech forum with no replies. C'mon, someone must have some experience/knowledge with this one....going to pull the Porter Cable out tomorrow.
     
  5. johan6504

    johan6504 Formula 3

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    There have been other threads about this, try doing a search. From what I can remember late cars have clear coat, early cars had a solid paint. Not sure when they switched though.
     
  6. ronrob

    ronrob Formula Junior

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    Just to add to the valuable comments by UConn and Johan.....and to show that we are listening!...

    Personally, I would not use a machine until I knew what work was needed. OK, even then, I would not use a machine. I have the time and I do not think that a superior finish is achieved using a machine. It also takes a lot longer to screw up when you are doing it by hand....
    I know little more about paint than the next guy. There were many technological advances even in the mid 90's!! Brilliant (i.e. no clear coat on top) paint was a much more expensive process than clear on base and, of course, less environmentally friendly).
    IMO, examine the car under the most punishing light conditions you can create. You will then know what you are dealing with (might even have a repainted panel?). Identify the worst panel and then treat by hand using any of the great products now available (3M's PERFECT-IT III range is great, for example - no silicones, quick cutting and very easy to remove). When you have done one panel and you know what you want to achieve you can determine the next course of action; I bet that you will stick with the hand work; you will treat the surfaces according to their condition and will leave the maximum amount of paint protection on your car. How you protect it when you have finished is another question!
     
  7. Ferrari Fanatic

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    With the Porter random polisher, go for it. You won't take off any paint that wasn't dead already. Just use a mild compound like Maguiers scartch X.

    Now if you were using a polisher (ie, if you put your hand on the polishing bonnet it would rip your hand off) than no do not use it without great experience.

    I was at a Maguier's work shop 101 for dummies, and the car the tech was doing a demo on a brand new 430. Everyone looked scared $hitless, until the tech cranked the Porter up to high.......and then put it to his face, to make a point. We all gasped and then laughed, as in we get the point.
     
  8. BrandSB

    BrandSB Karting

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    Agreed. I've used the Porter Cable orbital for many years on my BMW's and motorcycles with great results. In conjunction with the Menzerna line of polishes I've had outstanding results. When I got my last bike, I noticed it had a deep scratch in the clearcoat right down the top of the tank....how I missed it before the sale ?? (can you say prep damage?) but it was there when I got it home. I hauled out the Porter and the Menzerna intensive and finish polishes and began to work on the scratch. Within a couple of minutes it was virtually gone. The key to this, in my opinion was not only the Porter Cable but the polishes and being careful to start light and go heavier as needed without overdoing it.

    I experimented with some scratches on my 355 over the weekend with the same process, using the Menzerna Finish (or final) polish only since I'm not experienced with single stage paint. Worked extremely well and made them essentially disappear so I won't be using the intensive polish.

    The BMW E60 Net forum I'm a member of has a Detailing category which captures these sorts of questions, as well as the never ending 'my wax is better than yours' debate.
     
  9. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

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    Machine polishing is fine, but it will take paint off in certain cases, even the most benign machines. In general, never cross a body panel crease with one and you will be fine. Only polish mostly flat surfaces and be really careful around the rear butresses; do not cross the creases, otherwise the paint will thin out along the edges. Just go slow and don't use excess pressure/weight on the polisher.
     
  10. johan6504

    johan6504 Formula 3

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    Just to comment on the Menzerna. I am using this as well with very good result. I have tried a lot of different products but none comes even close to this. I am using it with flex 3402 orbital polisher, great machine and together with menzerna always great result.
    I am no pro in polishing but with this machine I have never felt that I am risking anything. Made sure I wouldn’t screw anything up by testing it on my old Merc before putting it on the Ferrari…
     
  11. MobileJay

    MobileJay Formula 3
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    You will be fine with the PC, the only way to damage the paint with that machine is to drop it on the car. Take some Menzerna IP or SIP and a mild polishing pad(like a white LC) and you should not have problems. With doing it by hand you won't accomplish anything if you are trying to rid the car of swirls or spider webbing. Take it slow and the car will be okay. Single stage red looks fantastic after detailed.
     
  12. BrandSB

    BrandSB Karting

    Jun 11, 2008
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    Thanks for both previous comments regarding the Menzerna products. I'm dying to get the time to clay the car and then follow with the Menzerna polish then P21S 100%. May follow with OptiSeal sealer, still debating. Regardless, should take care of the paint and will be a fun process. I've never owned a single stage paint car, so this will be uncharted territory for me.....can't wait!
     

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