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  1. riverflyer

    riverflyer F1 Rookie

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    I have done several searches and find nothing about wheel specs. I know the oem size is 7.5 fronts and 10 rears. Anyone know the offset, bolt pattern etc.
    How about aftermarket wheels, like HRE's, has anyone gone with 8"fronts and a wider front tire. Like 255/295 combination? Any experiences would be greatly appreciated as I know there are some very knowledgeable setup people on board. It seems to me the stock set up understeers quite a bit and although I have just begun to play with tirer pressures etc I wonder what others experiences are concerning finding the best tires size/pressure for good handling balance. thanks, John
     
  2. Auraraptor

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  3. riverflyer

    riverflyer F1 Rookie

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    Thank you Omar, that is just the info I was looking for.
     
  4. yfc

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    Hi John,

    I know someone who played a bit with the wheel spacer, ... on his F355 GTS. After some experience, he came back to the stock setup since he found the balance not satisfying. If you need further explanations from him, just contact "cinquevalvole". He is from Germany.

    From what I know/read of the forum, the F355 balance (suspension, tyre width, ...) is very complex. It seams that any (even) small change to the setup seams not improving the fealing.

    Regards,
    Christophe.
     
  5. FL 355

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    I know two people who kept the rims stock and increased the tire size to fill the wells rather than spacers -

    One did 225X40 and 265X40
    The other did 275X40 and 295X35

    Both look good and the speedo does not have to be recalibrated
     
  6. riverflyer

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    My interest is cosmetic only in changing for different wheels that appeal to my personal taste more and hopefully will be a bit lighter than stock. Beyond that, since i live in two lane twisty heaven, it is strictly performance. I would be hoping to add more grip and if possible, reduce understeer. Cristophe, I appreciate the heads up about degrading the handling and will proceed with caution. I may just leave stock and try and work with sway bar diameters and tire pressure and leave it at that but hoping to get some good first hand info from "those that went before". I want to do a corner weighted alignment but of course must first see if I am swithching wheels or not. John
     
  7. riverflyer

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    Frank, I know the spacers seemed to work well with the 348 susp set up but not sure if anyone has had good success with the 355. How does the car with 275/295 handle, do you know? I know one former driver who swears by this kind of massive, fairly even tire width set up and even to the point of slight rubbing at full lock, he still maintains more neutral handling and better balance. If the 275/295 owner is on board, please check in.
     
  8. chaa

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    I have been using spacers on the front and back of my 355 to bring the wheels outwards to form a better stance. I also use 225 front and 295 rear(p rossos). I have never had problems. Even with no spacers the 295s are still to into the wheel arch and of course the fronts are as well, which dont look right IMO.
     
  9. riverflyer

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    Charley, what size spacers and does the 225/295 promote understeer? do you ever track the car? thanks, John
     
  10. chaa

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    15mm rear, 20mm front. The car feels great to me, and i do drive hard, i dont do track.
     
  11. yfc

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    John,

    To increase the cornering, I went for track type tires :

    Pirelli P-Zero Corsa (225 x 40 x 18 in front and 265 x 35 x 18 on the rear)

    These tires are mainly for dry track days. When they are tolerated on the open roads. I can tell you it's dramatically improving the grip!

    If - like me - you are not planning to us the car under rainy nor cold conditions, go for these tires. You will enjoy their excellent grip.

    Bye,
    Christophe.
     
  12. FL 355

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    John - they don't usually visit this site...more the south beach cruiser types - lol.

    Charlie - can you post a pix of your car? Would like to see what 20's on front look like.

    Thanks
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  13. riverflyer

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    Thanks Frank, I would like to see a pic too.
    Cristophe, I switched to pilot cups on my Porsche and agree, the extra grip is outstanding. My problem, (well I guess its not really a problem!) is I live in the temperate n. calif coastal region that gets lots of rain in the winter, and almost no snow, but in between it is often Miami like weather and glorious days that beg for fast cars to run. Though the skies may be dry there will be places in the forest that simply do not dry out. What does the tread look like, is it closer to a racing slick than street tire or is it set up to move minimal amounts of water away?
     
  14. gothspeed

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    I almost bought some 11mm wheel spacers. I returned them because the diameter is too small to capture the rubber seal on the wheel. That rubber seal on the factory 355 wheels is there specifically to "seal" the bare magnesium on the mating interface from the outside elements.

    Magnesium corrodes very easily and can weaken with enough corrosion. So if that spacer does not meet up with it, you are exposing the "bare" magnesium to moisture, detergents, brake dust and who knows what other bad stuff.

    Needless to say I will be making my own spacers. I will size them to take advantage of the design purpose of that rubber seal.
     
  15. chaa

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    Goth when i changed my old spacers to my current 11mm ones, i used the hill spacers and the rubber gaskit fits ok.:)
     
  16. 348paul

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    I belive you are getting confused with "Magnesium" and "Magnesium alloy"

    This is a very interesting site that goes into detial on Magnesium Alloys:

    http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=355


    It is often said that Magnesium alloy wheels have low corrosion resistance - this is not quite so provided they have been manufactured correctly.

    AFAIK the 355 & 550 were the only cars fitted with this rubber seal and yet the likes of the 512TR, 360, 430 etc have Mag alloy wheels and no rubber seal.

    Even though Ferrari have done away with any seal on the latter cars with Mag Alloy wheels ,we could possibly look at doing something as a special kit for the 355 for people who want to retain the sealing of the ring.

    Paul
     
  17. gothspeed

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    The 360, 512tr & 430 wheels are "aluminum", and have a higher corrosion threshhold. Thereby eliminating the need for the rubber seal. The "355" wheels are magnesium or a magnesium alloy variant and is more susceptible to corrsion. I have seen some "challenge wheels" (magnesium) with high levels of corrosion because they "don't" have the seal by design. Because these are "racing wheels" they did not see the need for "long term" use and the added weight.
     
  18. 348paul

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    2 threads going at the same time !!

    Rather than duplicating:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114440
     
  19. LetsJet

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    Interesting

    So the 430 wheel is aluminum... you're sure?

    And the 355 rear wheel has an offset of 78 and another 12mm roughly for the rubber seal or is the seal calculated in the offset?
     
  20. gothspeed

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    Good idea!

    My info as I understood it, is from a combination of a few friends who together have restored/worked on a couple of hundred f-cars.

    One of my friends that I spoke of now mostly deals in wheels for high end cars. He can make any wheel design to order. Sorry for the plug: www.eurospeedz.com

    I will verify my understanding of the different wheel materials with him as I will be seeing him this week.
     
  21. 348paul

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    What about 308 wheels - Are they Magnesium Alloy?
     
  22. Mike C

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    Yes
     
  23. Steve Magnusson

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    I have a suspicion that 308 wheels are still terchnically an Aluminum alloy (if it's more than 50% Aluminum) but with a lot of Magnesium (like 30%) -- which is rightly "special" compared to a conventional Aluminum alloy wheel. The only F spec I've every seen calls them a "Light Alloy" material without explaining that term.

    (Like debunking the 1200 Kg Boxer) we need an actual weight and volume measurement when someone has a bare 308 wheel handy ;)
     
  24. gothspeed

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    Can you take a pic of how that spacer fits on your 348 killer?? ;)
     

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