Hi, I have a 2002 360 with upgraded tcu. Last weekend I drove a 458 for the first time and it was on a track. The car blew me away but what really blew me out of this galaxy was the shifting. So ridiculously fast and smooth like in a fake video game. Obviously far ahead of 360. I have never driven a 430 and now I'm wondering if that clutch is similar to 360 or more similar to 458. Even in between it would be a great improvement. Or is the 430 clutch more like the 360 and the 458 just was a big leap? Anyone driven all 3 cars or later 360s and 430? Also, did the 430 clutch get better thruout production years like the 360 did? When you buy a 360 it's better to get 2002 or later. Is that the same case with the 430? Thnx for any feedback and help. Because now I don't know what to do, upgrade to a 430 or just wait a little bit and get 458 when they come down in price.
I would say probably in between. I have only driven a 360CS, F430, and 458. I'm still happy with the F430. Shifts great to me.
F430 will be much closer or even the same as your upgraded 360 - both have a single clutch system and pretty much share the same gearbox. 458 uses a double clutch system like that on the likes of the Nissan GTR, the change is faster and a lot more refined (smoother).
Shame, I was hoping for the opposite answer Not sure now if it is worth upgrading for 70k to get a 430... I am fully aware that the 430 is a better car all around but after driving the 458 and experiencing that shifting I just can't get it out of my mind.
I just can't get it out of my mind.[/QUOTE] I fully understand! It also blew me away as well. Bloody awesome car
John- Just to make sure you understand, the 360 has a single disc, dry plate clutch, and the F430 has a dual disc, dry plate clutch. Big difference in performance and life between the 360 and F430 clutches. The 458 has an entirely different system, with two clutches in an oil bath and a preselector type of engagement mechanism. There is little to no commonality between the dry plate clutch systems and the wet clutch systems in the later DCT transmissions fitted to the California and later Ferraris, like the 458.
That is so interesting. Great info!! Could you elaborate more as to what each of the clutches strength and weakness is, price for repair/replacement and longevity? So the 430 clutch is much faster in shifting?
The 430 is a single clutch 'box, like the 360. Whereas, the 458 uses a double clutch 'box. Totally different technology.
2 discs to wear not one = longer life. The DCT gearboxes (458, GTR, M3 among others) while the shifts are sublime, they are big heavy units and are less reliable (currently) than the more traditional gearboxes. I have heard of many failures after a very short life. Very expensive too.
I'm confused. Here is an image of an F430 clutch for sale on the 'net which matches how mine looks. Also an image - albeit a drawing - of the clutch in the Ricambi parts catalog. How do/does the clutch plate/plates appear in real life? Anyone have an image of one/them? In what manner is it a dual disc? TiA for the help. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
F430 has the green o-ring and is shown on the right. 360 is on the left. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
OK, thanks much! I think I get it. Only one disc is readily visible through the clutch inspection opening. The two arrows are the discs. Oh, and "not to scale" - amusing. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I think you are confusing a standard clutch disc with a duel clutch. All “single disc” which always have 2 faces. One to grab the flywheel, the other to grab the surface of the pressure plate which it is sandwiched between. A DCT is a completely different set up. I’m by no means an expert. Here is a synopsis of DCT’s. Also IIRC the 458 is a wet clutch system as appears to the dry system of the 430/360 https://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission.htm Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I started using twin dry disc instead of dual dry disc when describing F430 and 599/OTO 612 clutches. Keeps owners from confusing them with dual clutch transmissions.
