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  1. derekmines

    derekmines Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2013
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    Melksham, UK
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    Derek
    #1 derekmines, Jun 2, 2014
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    It's just started to get hot here in Dubai recently and I've discovered that my a/c doesn't blow cold... in fact it just blows ambient despite being regassed 10 days ago.... this suggested a leak so I took it to my local independant for diagnosis.

    They have sent me the following photos and an estimate for $6500

    This estimate is basically for the replacement of both the condenser and the compressor... now from the image it's clear to see that the condenser has failed and needs replacement but the compressor is running fine, just seems to have that bit of a mark on it...

    I don't completely trust this place not to pad the bill (I've caught them at it before) but they are the only option here apart from the main dealer (who are worse)

    I know it's hard to advise from just a photo but what's the opinion of you all as to whether I should give them the go ahead or just have the condenser replaced and leave the existing compressor in situ.

    As an aside, they are quoting a total of 10hrs labor across the 2 jobs, is that right or is there an economy of scale by doing both at once?

    Thanks for any advice
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  2. casey330

    casey330 Karting

    May 12, 2011
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    Did they put dye in the system and run it or are they just going by where they see a leaky spot ? I usually see oil from a leaking cam seal or cam cover gasket ( or left over oil from one theat was replaced ) puddled up on the under side of the A/C compressor, and it looks like it has been wiped already with some type of solvent where the lettering on the decal is missing. I would have them verify that its not oil from up top before changing the compressor.
     
  3. jlonmark

    jlonmark F1 Rookie

    Mar 29, 2005
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    Jay
    With the Freon leaking out so quickly, it sounds like a sizable leak and thus it shouldn't be that hard to find. It's the small leaks that are tough
     
  4. jpk

    jpk Formula Junior

    I second/third the suggestion that the recharge should have included dye to spot the leak. This is normal procedure to aid in diagnosis of the problem.
     
  5. derekmines

    derekmines Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2013
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    Melksham, UK
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    Derek
    Thanks all, I have asked the question, also I have asked about rebuilding rather than replacing the compressor, since I have read elsewhere that this is common practise.
    The car only has just over 7k miles on the clock so these failures are likely caused by seals drying out rather than overuse!
     
  6. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2007
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    Unless you're like me and forget to turn the AC off when tracking!
     
  7. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Here's what I would do. I'd take a real close look at the condenser to see if there is any other possibility for the cause of that obvious oil spot. Chances are it's a refrigerant leak and the A/C system oil has caused that spot. If you're pretty sure of it, then I would change the condenser myself and have the system leak checked, evacuated, and recharged at a regular A/C shop, NOT at a dealer.

    Of course, if you don't work on your own car, you'll have to make a different decision, but changing a condenser isn't rocket science.

    Typically you have to use some caution. The hoses and fittings on automotive A/C systems are typically aluminum and they're often very tight. Add a bit of corrosion and you have a recipe for wrecking an inlet or outlet tube. Be sure you're using the right wrench(s) (usually used in pairs) and try not to make a mess of things. Be sure you have the correct O rings or other seals on hand before you start.

    Other than the possible cost of paying for a recharge twice, I don't see the downside of trying to get along with your existing compressor. It doesn't look that bad to me and the leak check and evacuation routine should catch any significant leak before you actually put refrigerant in. If it doesn't hold a charge after replacing the condenser, then either change the compressor or try to track down the source of the leak (or additional leak) using an electronic sniffer or some system dye. I'm surprised the shop didn't use either one or the other method already.

    That's what I'd do, but that doesn't mean it's what YOU should do. Remember, this is the Internet and some advice may be less than ideal, including my advice.
     
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  8. derekmines

    derekmines Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2013
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    Derek
    Thanks all for the advice... this isn't a car I expected to run on a shoestring but neither do I like feeling ripped off.

    I have instructed my garage to change the condensor (they say that the dye was leaking there big-time) and the various associated gaskets.
    I will see how the system then functions. If it fails again then I will have the compressor removed and sent to the USA for rebuild.
     

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