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360 Alarm trouble - Jerk it out?

Discussion in '360/430' started by Rfong, Aug 28, 2007.

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  1. Rfong

    Rfong Karting

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    It seems the 360 alarm is a constant source of trouble not to mention its counter intuitive operation and its short range key fob. I also suspect the alarm is behind the battery draining problems mentioned by many members.

    Has anyone tried to remove the alarm? And replace it with a superior system? What system has been successful?
     
  2. RayJohns

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    The range problem is due to the location of the antenna, not the remote/key. A quick fix will extend the range to several hundred yards. Also, the alarm module has its own battery on board, and it doesn't draw that much current. I personally wouldn't buy a 360 where someone had hacked into the factory alarm system. The factory system works fine on my car - so not sure what would be gained by going after market.

    Ray
     
  3. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

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    The alarm disables the engine in about 30 seconds after the engine is turned off or the alarm is disarmed. The alarm fob must be pressed to enable starting the engine. I finally figured it out after looking stupid at gas stations when I could not start my flashy car.

    The alarm antenna is a red wire under the electrical junction plate behind the driver's seat. Pull out the free end and position it pointing towards the passenger side to extend the range.

    My battery drains in 2 days after a full recharge. Other 360 owners report no such problem.
     
  4. RayJohns

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    That's odd. I would say there is some problem and/or the battery is toast.

    I leave my 360 parked for a week (when I get busy) with no battery tender, etc. It always fires right up no problem. Over the last month, I've pretty much only driven it once a week (about 30 miles total a week) and have not had any problems. As far as I know, it's the original battery.

    Ray
     
  5. fc2

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    If I leave my 360 parked with the alarm "on" for a week no problem... fires right up.
    If I leave it for two weeks I can definitely hear the car struggle to start as the battery has run low.
    I decided to not see what happens if I wait any longer and now the car stays happily plugged into the battery tender after each drive when I'm not going to use it the next day.

    Frank
     
  6. vm3

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    I replaced the original battery with an Odessey dry cell but it also died in 2 days, so the original was put back. There must be a power drain somewhere, but the battery tender is a workaround that saves the $$$ required to troubleshoot it by a dealer.

    How about replacing the fuses one at a time with a burnt fuse and measuring the current between the exposed terminals on the head of the fuse to find the drain? Please excuse me for going off topic.
     
  7. Rfong

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    It not what you gain by going after market, it is what you eliminate.....Problems!

    Strike One: Why would you want an alarm that was intentionally engineered to operate only at 8ft, when a simple antenna fix allows it to work at 100 ft?
    Strike Two: Why would you want your car's engine to be immobilized in only 30 seconds after turning off the alarm?
    Strike Three: Why would you want an alarm that drains your battery in 2 days (as per other 360 owners)?

    In my book, 3 strikes and you're out. In this case, hacking is a good thing. (I wanted to put that Smiley face here, but it ended up in the Title. How do I put it at the end of my sentence?)
     
  8. nt6d

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    1) The alarm system is engineered to operate more than 8 ft. Ferrari installed it wrong.
    2) why not?
    3) are you sure it is the alarm? Mine does not do that at all - I can go a couple of weeks w/o any problem.

    Hey, it's your car. you can do whatever you want. Good luck with hacking..... ":"+")" = :)
     
  9. SANguru

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    just make sure when you sell it that the person will not search here and find out you "hacked" the car.
     
  10. RayJohns

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    it's your car... knock yourself out :) But the distance issue is due to the location of the antenna, which is pretty minor and most likely simply an oversight on Ferrari's part.

    The alarm doesn't drain the battery in two days. The alarm draws very little current (not to mention having its own rechargeable battery). I suspect if you took the alarm and attached it to your average car battery, with no recharging, it would probably run all year with not much problem.

    Ray
     
  11. Rfong

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    Then what causes the battery drain that so many 360 owners report about? I noticed some of the 360 owners that report no battery problems have manual transmissions and I have read the F1 transmission is suspect about draining power, but how can that be when the car is turned off? Is there a work around for this problem? Put it in neutral? Put it in reverse - Ha Ha. I have also read that reverse is the root of all evil as far as clutch wear.
     
  12. SANguru

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    battery drain = people who don't drive it and let it sit. Never had a problem with my CS.
     
  13. tdb

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    My 360 is manual - I picked it up from the dealer - he told me that if the car sits for 2 - 3 weeks it will kill the battery.

    Suggested I put in a battery maintainer.

    What is everyone using ?
     
  14. Skidkid

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    Don't know about you guys but my car can sit for 2-3 weeks no problem. Yes, it is an F1. Maybe the manuals are being left in R and that is leaving backup lights :eek: Then again not. If I was going dead that fast I would look for what is drawing the power. It doesn't take that much equipment but it takes a lot of time.

    I can't say as I have seen that many complaints unless the car sits for months. Another issue could be very cold temperatures. Temp has a big impact on a batteries charge capabilities.

    I have a BatteryTender but I rarely use it. OK, I only tested it out when I had just installed it. Other than that I haven't ever plugged it in.
     
  15. vm3

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    Rather than a design flaw that is in every car, there is probably a part that is prone to failure and causes the power drain reported by some owners. I'll hunt it down when I have time and post the findings.

    My Toyota starts without a hiccup after sitting for 2 months. Low volume Ferraris are just not as well engineered as high volume Toyotas.
     
  16. fc2

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    Yep... I have a Ford Expedition we use for hauling dirt bikes etc and it will sit for weeks with no attention and start first turn. Ferrari's have always been and will always be "special".

    I have a BatteryTender (http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2) works like a charm.

    Frank
     
  17. RayJohns

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    Don't know. I have a 6 speed manual, so I couldn't comment about anything related to the F1 system. I also read about people constantly complaining about battery problems, but I have never had any problems myself. It could also be due to heat. I live in a cool area near the ocean. It may also have something to do with the ECU's drawing power while the car is off.

    I don't think it's on account of only the alarm. Like I say, my car has been sitting a week at a time lately and I have had no problems.

    Ray
     
  18. nt6d

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    You don't have to place a burnt fuse. Just remove a fuse and stick an amp meter to the terminals. Look for any significant current drain.....
     

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