Hey guys....here's the post many have been waiting & anticipating: As many of you have heard me mention, my 360 spider came with a stage-3 Capristo exhaust system. At first it was crazy-fun and I loved it. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy it when hanging-out with the boys, carving canyons, arriving/departing **********, etc. It is fun and the screamin' exhaust really puts the punctuation mark on the car..... ....But my wife has gone from tolerating it to a cringe when I suggest we take the F-car out to dinner. She doesn't want to take it up the coast for a long drive, I get nervous around cops and I'm feeling a bit guilty when I come home really late and "try" to get into my garage without upsetting or waking the neighbors (let alone my own family). It's also odd when I'm pulling away from a stop-light in a mellow-slow fashion, and a Honda civic is accelerating a bit faster, and yet my car sounds like it's ROARING along at top speed. Seriously funny to see the look on their face as I'm behind them or side-by-side and my car is screamin' like it's wide-open and I'm just keeping up with regular flow. So...I'm considering the "Twin" Capristo system. The only thing that really concerns me is that this system clearly puts the bypass valves in a manner such that they divert the exhaust straight from the cats and right out the back: no or little flow through the muffler. With my stage-3 the flow is through the muffler, it gets that "tuned" or "sweet" shrill.....but the Twin system just opens-up before the muffler and dumps the raw/nasty post-cat exhaust right out the back...no wonder it's said to be 20% louder then a stage-3...but is it loud-sweet, or just loud-nasty????? And does it have a nice rumble at the bottom-end, or just that classic Capristo muffled shrill at the lower end? I've heard the clips, but a $4 video-camera microphone and my computers speakers just couldn't translate it right. All this said...I'd really appreciate some feedback from OWNERS who actually have or have had the Twin system. In the end, I realize I'll just need to hear one in person, but in lieu of that....can anyone help me put some perspective on this? Thanks! - Steve
it's not just steve's wife...... i am faced with the same dilema today in my newly acquired 360. i've had my share of aftermkt exhaust such as quicksilver in my diablo and tubis in my old 360 and my diablo roadster (and these are a lot tamer than the capristo). don't get me wrong. the sound is at first intoxicating but after a few long drive, it can get old really fast. my ears would go deaf for days afterward and i feel utterly exhausted from the loud sound. steve's consideration for the surroundings of his living is a very valid concern. i used to just dread pulling into in front of a restaurant for fear people think i am some idiot trying to show everyone off....frankly, this is the reason i have left the stock exhaust in my orange diablo 6.0 and i might consider doing the same with the 360....
So in Essence Steve - you no longer want an exhaust system to be the center of attention with a car that already is the center of attention. Hmmm sounds like another Capristo story that ends up turning to a TUBI. Sink the Capristo all together and buy a TUBI. Exhaust systems are a compliment to the car..not an upstage. Mario
Hey Steve, I basically have the same thoughts and concerns as you do about the Twin Sound Capristo exhaust. Hopefully an expert like Nick (NickForzaFerrari) can chime in. I know he has installed and sold many Capristos.
I personally heard 360's with both Capristo and Tubi, and then had the chance to try a Maranello X-Host, and ended up replacing my Tubi for this last exhaust for its sound and performance. I had uploaded some pics of this exhaust on other threads with the "430 look" tips.... My point is, there are other options out there besides Capristo and Tubi.
i had tubi on my 360 but it just wasn't loud enough but loved the tone. than i had straight pipes installed in 360 with tubi and it was too loud. i would of bought level 3 over tubi. if you get tubi than check out tubi ngt.
I'm installing a Tubi with the hyper-flow cats in a week or so on my 360. I'll let you guys know the results. The stock exhaust is actually not all that bad, but a hair quiet. I don't want to go over board though, which is why I went with the tubi and the hyper-flow cats. The tubi is nice, but not annoying and I think with the hyper-flow cats, it will bring it up to where my 355 with the Tubi was - at least that's the hope Ray
I appreciate all the input guys. No doubt I really need to find someone in or near L.A. who will let me have a listen to there Twin System (herein referred to as a TS).....which is why I posted this. The thing about a Cappristo (herein referred to as a Cap)....is that it's either loved OR criticized as being "Tinny" and "loud for the sake of being loud". The Cap has no low-end rumble or sense of PHAT-power, it's shrill & nasty. Intoxicating at times, oppressive at others. The TS tries to suggest you can have your cake & eat it too....but we're still talking shrill-tinny and frankly, when the bypass is wide-open, it's not a muffler at all....it's merely bypassing the muffler altogether the flowing it right out the back: that can't sound sexy & sweet, just oppressive, loud & nasty. Not what I think I'm looking for. But nor is the Tubi. Been there, heard that. I think the answer comes in the form of the Fuch's/Cargraphics system. While not as popular, it's reputedly spectacular. One F-chatter had a TS and removed it for the Cargraphics (herein referred to as the C-graph) Don't get me wrong guys...this is far from being a tormenting query, indeed; this is the fun, thrill & chase of following the customization road to making the car more mine. It's all good. For what it's worth, my buddy Dave (Darth550) went upto Santa Barbara with me on that Charity run and even he said he'd lose the stage-3...it was too loud & "droned" in his ears. The Cap-3 is a lot of fun and at times I will miss it....but the few times I will miss it will be less then the many times I wish it was quieter...and like all decisions it's made at the margin. Simple as that. Still wanna hear a TS....anyone? Anyone????
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Ewwwwww.....sounds like I stirred the pot and struck a nerve in the house of Dogg, his divine lawness no rikey! I'm just having fun with it......
Steve, I too would like to hear the twin. I had cap3 on my car but when I added the Larini hi flo cats the sound went from big to outragous. I relate completely to your description. My neighbors, who are a distance away, all were pissed, the drone was horrible at low rpms or coming up the very long hill to my house. I switched to Fuchs and the sound is now raw and angry but fairly mellow except at big throttle. To some its still a very loud car but inside its very managable and does not drone. I do miss the cap 3 wail and have often thought the switchable sound would be optimal. Must be someone who has one of these.....?
I see that higher education is kicking in for you Colby. Spelling a week spot for you ? Translate this... sto minchya ba fanchulo. Mario
The twin sound system is the best of both worlds as it provides a quiet sound at low RPM & an ultra aggressive sound at WOT. It also produces even more HP than the level 3 system. It is the answer for that balance. There are many 360 owners who want & need adjustability due to their spouses, neighbors, or just not wanting to attract attention while conducting day-to-day activities. It does however allow you to hear the wonderful music that the engine produces when the car is being driven to its limits on a weekend track event, or when you just want to get away with your car & enjoy an afternoon with your Ferrari. The systems that are being produced now also have a manual adjustability at idle via Allen head bolt, which allows the user to allow more bypass at idle if it is too quiet. The fit & finish are second to none. I have some wave files & dyno results on my website, here is the link http://www.nicksforzaferrari.com/forzaferrariwebsite1_058.htm Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well....I'm at my wits end; I've called all the local shops, posted here on F-chat and I still can't find anyone who has this system for me to listen to or check out....or even get a personal testimony from. From the looks of it, the system when "quiet" has all the exhaust coming through the muffler and out through only one tip on each side. When the bypass opens, the exhaust doesn't appear to go through the muffler at all...it merely dumps-out the back through the center-tip. Wouldn't this sound more raw, loud & nasty....as opposed to melodic, tuned or "sweet"??? I'm considering a stock Stradale exhaust system...my understanding is that is has bypass valves operated by vacuum lines; it screams at the top-end and is supposedly fairly tame at the bottom. Anyone know anything about these? (sounds like another thread....)
I too was looking at the Stradale system. The level 2 I have now is simply too loud. Level 3's I've heard are eardrum damaging loud. I cannot imagine owning a twin sound system if it is louder than level 3. What Capristo needs to do is to design an exhaust that will let the user tune the sound levels at both idle and WOT. Now THAT I would buy.
if you are going to buy stock stradale exhaust than check out tubi ngt. i think ngt sounds similar to stock stradale. i would only change the muffler if you are going with ngt. i wouldn't add high flow cats or headers with ngt, it might be too much.
I have tubit NGT and while I love it, it doesn't sound like what he wants. Its loud enough at idle that I have to turn the car off a drive thru's (starbucks, mcdonalds, etc). And I like it LOUD.
The Twin system IS a stage-2, when the bypass valve opens, it's said to be 20% louder then a stage-3...but that's cause it's blowing it's exhaust straight out the tips and bypassing the muffler altogether; that's my conern: too loud AND too raw, nasty & obnoxious like a stock-car, not a Ferrari.
isnt that how the cs and 430 stock mufflers work? go to www.fabspeed.com and check out their ferrari exhaust explanation videos...
Capristo level 3 is the best item money can buy for a 360, period. i only regret not getting it sooner. btw, i have about 4500 miles on the exhaust, and guess what, it just got LOUDER. never heard twinsound on 360, but did hear twinsound on 430. yes it does tone it down. so maybe thats your solution.
Oh my gosh that was hilarious. I don't know what was worse....how they touted their high quality and "best in the world" products while in the driveway of their home on a near dead lawn.....or when the guy pans downward and reveals his bare feet. The only class those boys have was in a school. Still, it was interesting, thanks for the linky. Btw...I've made my decision: I'm buying a used Challenge Stradale exhaust system. Should be relatively tame at low rpm's and then bypass valves (that can be manipulated like a Twin system) open-up at higher rpm's for some screamin' sound. The price is right and it seems like a solid system. Btw....YES, as it turns-out the 430 system does the same as the Twin: it opens bypass valves and does dump noise right out the tips: evidently it doesn't sound raw, nasty and un-tuned...from what I hear. Oh well, lack of any reference took me towards the CS. If I don't like it, I've got a buyer lined-up and I'll do the Twin. Thanks for everyone's help, especially Chris!
