360 DILEMMA. REPAIR, OR SELL IT FOR PARTS

For $16k you can fix or have a brand new one made. Im not sure what it looks like but im pretty sure one can be made. I see regular guys at a welding shop create some insane things.

 

I'd say a '99 with 30K miles is top shape is worth closer to mid to high 60's. There are so many 360s for sale with outrageous asking prices.

If you like the car, why not find a used replacement actuator?

 

Definately wouldnt part the car out but the question remains why after all this time are F1 related parts so expensive? Surely someone somewhere must be able to repair or provide replacements. The way I see it everyone with an F1 car is sitting on a potential timebomb.

 

You can find a used part for considerably cheaper.

I would bet less than 1/2 of the list price you quoted.

Sorry to hear though man. Horrible news.

 

You are not even sure what it is or what it looks like but you say he can have one made?

 

Those break. I have seen several and it looks like they are getting to the age that we will see more of it. It would be interesting to see what exactly broke in yours internally. At some point if they are all breaking in the same fashion as the ones I have experienced someone will tool up to offer a repair service for them (maybe even me). Until that happens I would investigate a used one and hope it has not performed almost as many operational cycles as yours.


So many of those cars have been totalled and are in junk yards the part out value may not be as high as you think but a call to Ted Rutland will answer that for you.


If you want to investigate a repair PM me.

 

LOL!! So true!
16K for a actuator is a rob!
I took mine apart because I had to bleed it throught the three screws and it is just a simple thing inside of it. Just take it out and send it to machine shop.

Check this one out;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ferrari-360-F1-Gearbox-Actuator-/220722714117

 

I think you really hit it the nail on the head with your last sentence. There are way too many problems with the F1 system on Ferrari’s. Every time you take your car in for a clutch issue, the shop says you need a new clutch and they want to change all parts because they aren’t even sure which is bad. When the repair is having issues the repair center has to call Ferrari North America because something is not working correct and they have to trouble shoot, which is what they should of done in the first place. In my opinion the Ferrari mechanics aren’t mechanics at all, they are all just parts installers. I haven’t seen a really Ferrari mechanic at a dealership in 20 years. Does anyone see any reason that a properly driven clutch would need replacement with only 7000 miles on a 360? A $150.000.00 car, REALLY? Sorry, just venting!

 

Akram, unfortunately its not just Ferrari, or even the auto industry, entire industries have been moving to what I call 'boil in the bag' knowledge. Specialism gone mad. Cars are getting way over complicated and over engineered. Many specs are over bloated with heavy kit and unnecessary specifications. I don't want or need 250lb electric motorized heated, cooled, massaged, twin airbag, nappa leather seats in my sports car. If I did, I probably didn't want a sports car in the first place, I wanted a living room sofa.

All of this is making cars harder to fix, more inefficient (heavy with poor mpg) and more 'throw away'. A trend thats been going on in other industries for years too. Even food, is being forced down the de-skilling route so anyone can do it. Maybe not as good but 'good enough' for most. This leads to poor substitues, almost criminal waste and real inefficiency but it still profitable and long term sustainable.

Think how much complexity all this 'innovation' is adding. On the ECU and sensor side, in depth embedded engineering, programming, soldering and reverse engineering, electrical, On the mechanical side, mechanical engineering, material sciences, along with more welding, tooling, cnc-ing. Unfortunately its just easier to buy part number #xyz than even think about opening up a semi-sealed, rivited together part...

Anyway enough rambling...

One last thing to consider, you guys think its bad now... ? Just wait until the used Cali's & 458's start needing clutches, its TWICE the pain with these double clutch transmissions.

Ouch.

 

Don't break the car just because of an RRP on a ferrari part. I think its well worth seeking out a good condition used part for a fraction of that price.

Seems crazy to pay what Ferrari would charge. I don't think its worth using a main dealer once most cars go beyond 4 or 5 years old. After that specialists are a better bet like Rifledriver who can look after your car better and are considerably more experienced than the dealers staff.

 

Don't someone like Alfa or Maserati use the same block but sell various components separately

Similarly there must be some knowledge of repairs by hydraulic specialists eg in the truck field

 

That used one on ebay(even if its in the UK) sounds like the way to go. Send your old one to Brian and maybe he can be the pioneer in repairing those th

 

+1. Mid 60s tops and that's with full records and no issues needed. Mid 70s if it's a spider.

 

I was under the impression that the wet clutches in the new DC transmissions would never need replaced??? Which is why you can use LC as much as you want as there's no wear.

John.

 

Carefull about painting all mechanics/technicians or dealers with such a broad brush. Find a good technician, regardless of his affiliation to a dealer or independent and build the relationship. Sorry you have had a bad experience but that is with the repair facility and the technician and is not indicative of all of us.

If something has phisically broken then replacing it, new or used is your only option. If it is leaking or not working properly there are other options. Has it been properly diagnosed. What are your symptoms?

I have full access to CNC and lathe depending on what you need perhaps it is time to make a small run of parts.

Rifledriver do you have pictures or what you need? I have not seen anything mechanical fail in an actuator yet outside of the shift finger bending. Lots of leaks and internal seal failures from metal contamination, ussually from a pump that is failing.

 

This guy speaks the truth and completely changed my behavior towards "dealers" after my bad customer service experience with another FCar authorized dealer.

Find someone who can not only diagnose your problem, but is also willing and eager to fix it--whether it be replacing a broken part, or coming up with viable and less expensive alternatives.

 

You had better buy it before I do!

 

For $16k??????????? Trust me i dont need to know what it looks like or functions like, for that kind of money it can be made.

 

Unbelievably this part is only $8K in the UK, don't know what import taxes would go on top of that though. Different part no than ricambi site so don't know if they're region specific.

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/partsListing.asp?M=1&Mo=688&A=1&B=40666&S=&ID4=1659228

John.

 

Thats the one I would jump all over.

Dont know how long it will last, but better off than paying $16K for a new one in the meantime.

 

I love your enthusiasm, but I would LOVE to see someone make this for $16K. Obviously not $16K there in materials, but take time in account.

Ive seen machine shops work wonders and make some amazing stuff, but the casting on this one and all the internal components would be a pain to make IMO.

But, I reckon it can be overhauled for A LOT less.

I would love to have one to have a look at and or repair.
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Thats a good one.