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360 ECU and odometer dead battery question

Discussion in '360/430' started by Patentman, Jan 27, 2007.

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  1. Patentman

    Patentman Formula Junior

    Jan 11, 2004
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    Boston/Delray Beach
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    Barry W. Chapin
    I am buying a 2002 360 spider F1 with 5442 miles that is being shipped to me shortly. The private party owner who I bought it from had the battery switch "off" in the front trunk area for a long time, so the car still needed to be connected to a charger to get it started (after turning the swtich to on, the battery did not turn over the starter). After charging the battery for a bit, the car started and the engine ran fine but the odometer read 555555 (6 fives, as in 555K miles), instead of 5442 actual miles. As the car appeared to be operating otherwise just fine, the owner then drove the car 12 miles, and as these miles were driven, the 555555 odometer value went to 555567. During the drive, all guages, RPM guage and the speedometer, etc. worked correctly on this 12 mile drive, and the car otherwise ran flawlessly. Note that 5442 miles were verified by an independent inspection done when the car was photographed for sale a few months ago (I have spoken with this person) and match with carfax registration miles from when the owner bought it.

    Fortunately for me, the owner is a very good person and told me about this whole episode, apologized and volunteered to rectify it in any way. He said he thought the computer had to be reset by a dealer. He suggested that instead of shipping the car to me, that instead we have it shipped to ferrari of new england (about 30 minutes away) and have them diagnose and repair whatever is necessary at his cost (I am able to withhold a significant part of the payment for this, I have not yet sent payment). This may be the best course of action as I planned to have it sent in for an oil change and belt service before spring driving arrives, but I wanted to post here first to see if there is something simple that can be done (he still has the car, it is awaiting pickup in the middle of next week, and I planned to send payment to his bank Monday or Tuesday) on his end to have the miles revert to the 5442 + 12 miles value??

    I searched threads on dead batterys, but did not see this symptom (others were about AC not working.) Any suggestions?
     
  2. GCalo

    GCalo F1 Veteran

    Sep 15, 2004
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    Greg Calo
    You may be reading the trip odometer miles.

    There are 3 buttons below the switches on the left side of the instrument panel. I believe the one closest to the steering column switches between miles and trip.

    Try that and see if there is a difference.
     
  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    If what Greg says is not the problem the dash may have been damaged by a voltage problem. The dash processors are the most fragile in the car and all by itself is a very good reason to put and keep a battery tender on the car and keep the power on.
     
  4. turbos7903

    turbos7903 F1 Rookie

    Mar 16, 2006
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    I had a problem with a dead battery once and jumped the car with a portable power supply. Guages stopped working. Scared the sh--t out of me when I found out what it cost to replace the dash. Apparently it is not fused. Fortunately for me a mechanic at Algar made a few suggestions and the guages jumped back to life. I went straight out,bought a new quality battery,battery tender, car never sits without it being hooked up. Next time the battery starts acting up I am going right out and buying a new battery. Never take chances with this car and its sensitive guage cluster/dash. Jon in Delaware
     
  5. Patentman

    Patentman Formula Junior

    Jan 11, 2004
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    Barry W. Chapin
    Rifledriver is right on again - the car was delivered straight from prior owner to Ferrari of New England this week, I was there to check it out on arrival, they connected the SDII, and to make a long story short, the boost provided by the battery charger (the charger had a "start" position on its charge knob to provide increased amperage) to get the car started (done during purchase inspection at prior owners site) spiked and cooked the "dash cluster" to the tune of $3200 for the part, plus labor to install (about an hour or two). The damage causes a red X to be displayed in the multifunction display, and the odometer set mileage to 555555, and then any miles driven after this incident incremented the odometer further. Interstingly, all guages otherwise worked correctly. The reset signal sent to the dash cluster from the SDII computer was unable to clear the problem. Yesterday they installed a new battery and the car otherwise appears to operate normally and there is no apparent damage to other electronics, the fuse box or wiring harness or F1 system. This has to be the highest mileage ferrari 360 in existence with over half a million miles (but it sure looks great for such high miles :)!!!.

    The dash cluster part has to now be sent to Ferrari in New Jersey to be replaced by a new one that Ferrari NA reprograms with the mileage data that they may be able to extract from the old dash cluster (dealers are unable to do this with the SDII and apparently only Ferrari NA has the ability to do this for obvious reasons of milage tampering). If it is not possible to get the actual mileage data from the damaged cluster (about 5500 miles), the part is being shipped to them along with all recent service records and other documents (and SD II data) and inspection photograhs (taken prior to boost being applied) substantiating the mileage claim.

    So as a warning to all those who have a dead battery - never never use a charger with a boost option and don't mess with the battery turn off knob, just use a tender and you will be ok.
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Sorry to hear that. I preach leaving the battery on and using a tender every day to just get blown off because "I have never had a problem".



    I hope this get through to some of the Knowallogists and dispensers of bad advice and information.
     
  7. LAMBOJOE

    LAMBOJOE F1 Rookie

    Nov 2, 2006
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    Joey
    the way I would have done it and save my self a world of trouble
    is to have someone connect to the odometer with a computer and return the miles back to its original.
    this is the way people turn back miles in order to sell the car at a lower price, I know it is wrong to do but in this case you have to make an exception.


    Ferrarijoe

    an opinion is like an ***** , everybody's got one.
     
  8. Patentman

    Patentman Formula Junior

    Jan 11, 2004
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    Barry W. Chapin
    Fortunetly I did not have to pay (prior owner covered all costs).

    Regarding conneting to a computer - this would require intimate knowledge of the interface, signalling, etc to talk to the ECU. Additionally, it might not clear the red X in the multi-function display.
     
  9. AvechuchoAxel

    AvechuchoAxel Rookie

    Dec 28, 2008
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    You are right... I'm in the speedometer repair business.... and that electrical problem is our everyday "bread & butter"....
    There is a thin line between doing a ligitimate repair job and /or tampering a instrument cluster. On every job, customer is OBLIGATED in order to start the repairs, to sign a statement where the original mileage, causes for the repairs and the actual mileage is stated, signed.

    The job you described for that ammount on money can be done for way less than a half. IC are very sensitive to amperege / electrical spikes. Is normal that the cluster display 99999999 or all digits just blinking the last good know mileage reading.

    Most of Ferrari's clusters (display discrepancies) are very easy to fix, but there is a factor of RISK to screw up something in the process.... so for that reason the price is high, but not high than dealer....

    Axel
     
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