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  1. Benjamino

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    Ok so who pre-warms their engine before setting off?

    I watched the following article the other day which was interesting: -

     
  2. Daryl Zernick

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    I always get mine up to running temp before setting off.
     
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  3. colorfull

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    Who doesn't!

    It's right in the manual, get it up to temp.
     
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  4. mwstewart

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    Sorry, but it's nonsense. Key in, Check OK off, start, and drive. The only consideration is to keep revs and load down until the oil (not water!) is up to the normal operating temp relative to ambient temp.

    The warm up before driving is a legacy from the days of carbs. These days with modern management and calibration it actually does more harm than good to let a cold engine idle.
     
  5. Benjamino

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    Interesting - this is why I asked as I knew there'd be conflicting opinions
     
  6. 360trev

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    Exactly this.

    And actually most 360s have badly calibrated idle warm up done wrongly at the factory (it's a bug which I can fix with a reflash and this work also prevents random misfires at startup too). It's so bad in some firmware versions you'll get your plugs sodden wet with fuel if you let it idle from a cold start for at least the first 4 minutes or so.

    Keep Throttle actuations not too aggressive until oil is warm and don't rev over 5k max but do drivr. It's an engineering mistake in my humble opinion that a bypass thermostat wasn't fitted ahead of the oil cooler so its not used until engine is above a given temperature as this also prolongs engine warmup.



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  7. EastMemphis

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    Thank you Trev for chiming in on this topic. It's really great to have such a resource available to the community.

    I'm lucky in that the exit from my Ferrari garage (ya, I have a dedicated building) to the road is all downhill. After startup, I give just a nudge to get the car rolling out of the garage and I can coast all the way to the main road. Just about the time I reach the bottom of the hill, the idle has gone down and I'm ready to go. I keep it between 1500 and 4000 RPM's until the temperature gets toward normal and then drive it without restrictions.
     
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  8. Jb-Slow

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    Start, back out of garage, drive.
     
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  9. colorfull

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    That's what I get for using my memory as a data point. Doesn't say 'do not drive', says 'do not run' higher than 4k rpm till it's warm. Thank you gents for your wisdom, knowledge and experience!

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  10. Scottslaw

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    Agree with the experts here. On my car (430) engine, it would literally take me 20 minutes of idling to be able to drive if I had to let it get to operating temp before I took off! I've never had a car that took so long to get up to full temp. Even changed my t-stat thinking that must be the culprit...nope...car just takes a long time to warm up (oil). My practice is to let is idle just long enough to allow the rpm needle to "settle down" to its normal position (usually less than 45 seconds), use that time to wipe the exhaust tip condensation (before tips are too hot), then go drive easy until the oil temp gauge at lest hits the second hash mark, then start slowing giving it more until its "full temp."
     
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  11. AandSC

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    ^^^^ This is what I do also.
     
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  12. RedTaxi

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    ^^^Me too. (also 430) But mine is up to the second oil temp mark literally within 3 miles. I'm astounded how fast it warms up.
     
  13. KC360 FL

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    Start, drive off, and keep the revs under 4K until the oil temp is over 160 degrees. Then the fun begins...
     
  14. Benjamino

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    I assume you mean Fahrenheit and not Celsius!!??!! :-D
     
  15. Extreme1

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    If you are using 0-40w or 5-40w oil, that oil is thin enough that it is circulating well as soon as you start the engine. Yes warm your car up for a minute or so, but just drive it gently until the oil temp comes up.


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  16. mjposner

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    This video is malarkey. Turn key and wait 30 seconds for everything to "warm up" Manual states: "If no faults are found, the words CHECK OK
    illuminate and the engine can be started." The manual does not suggest any 3 - 5 minute delay either, "With the engine started, the vehicle standing and the brake pedal pushed, pull the right-hand UP lever towards the steering wheel in order to engage 1st gear." Finally, he claims it takes 30 minutes to reach operating temp....maybe in Antarctica, but not in normal situations. Manual states, "Do not run the engine at high speeds until the engine oil temperature has reached at least 65÷70 °C approximately (or about 150-160 for us Americans).

    P.S. For non-Americans please do not dis Fahrenheit, because to be clear, Celsius is not a metric measurement, just a different scale, and in many cases Fahrenheit is better because it allows for small changes in temperature (thus more environmentally friendly!)
     
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  17. Benjamino

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    Thanks for your input/comment

    Who's 'dissing' temperature measurements? One is one thing and another is another as far as I am concerned! :)
     
  18. mjposner

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    It was a preemptive "do not dis" on the temperature measurements
     
  19. 67bmer

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    good discussion here! I was a little panicked yesterday when I took my car in for emissions test and my temps were "low" its about 66F here. I was thinking the oil temp should point straight up but can see from the manual post here that's probably not correct. I have done two major warmups verifying everything is working and I don't have any leaks. My oil temp never did get straight up. This was my second drive after service, clutch, LSD.

    Also, if you follow the ECU reset drive procedure, which I did yesterday, warmup is 4 minutes which goes pretty quickly.

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  20. brogenville

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    The other thing to remember is that idling the engine just warms the engine oil. Does nothing to warm the gearbox oil. For that reason it’s best to drive the car gently from cold until the whole lot has warmed up. Then have fun.






    Also, Celsius may not be metric, but it’s the same increments as Kelvin, which is metric. Use whatever units you like, but it’s pretty hard to argue that the basis for the Celsius scale doesn’t make a lot more sense than the bizarre basis for the Fahrenheit scale.


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  21. 67bmer

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    Being all aluminum and with the heat exchanger they warm up pretty uniformly. I checked.
     
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