How do you know when the F1 clutch goes bad? When it starts coming out of gear or what.
On my 99 360 it sometimes would go into into neutral when shifting and they said the clutch was bad, although it said only 70% wear on the computer. They did a complete clutch update as they called it and no more problems. Also after the update it was much better from slow starts, smoother and less clutch slip.
Where are you located? Dealer can or an independent guy with an SD2 can do it. The stealer will try to hit you for a new clutch and typically won't try to tweak it.
I have already been through an F-1 Clutch replacement. After the clutch has been adjusted for max pressure when the clutch is fried, you will hear an audible screech on take-off. You will also have to lightly accellerate froma standstill or the car will rev will minimul movement. At high RPM shifts..in sport mode..the car will shift but slip almost 1,000 rpm prior to the actual shift. Also, the popping out of gear may happen, but with max pressure from an SD II this should not happen. welcome to $4K of new clutch...!!!!
That is not necessarily the sign of a worn clutch -- my 360 did (does) exactly that from day 1 after a clutch replacement. Still bugging the dealer about tweaking it, but the cutch definitely ain't worn...
I'm trying to learn a lot about these scanners and the error codes that are generated- I have a lot to learn. I've been reading f-chat a lot and Eugenio (an independant f-car mechanic with a great rep around here) helped clear up a few things about the scanners, at least in meager understanding: http://emelbon.tripod.com/eugeniosferrariservice.html The OBDII will read and reset error codes on 360 ferraris, but this does require a "jumper" on pin outs to work in an f-car. We can buy a scanner for about $150, jumper it, and figure out what is going on in some of major, but relatively "generic" problems ares- like O2 sensors, CATS, and forgetting to screw the gas cap on The SDII scanner is around $20K - $25K and is intended to be used only at Ferrari dealers, although they are available for purchase through various channels. It is what you need to read F1 clutch settings, and other ferrari-specific read/write codes. Not many independant guys will have this for a number of reasons, but Eugenio seems to know how to get clutch wear/settings from F! via OBDII. Please share any experience you have reading with the various scanners. Regards, Eric
Information available from the OBD port alone with a scanner, only scratches the surface of the diagnostic/repair/service information and service capability that is available with the SD2 and for the newest cars, the SD3. Anyone who is serious about servicing late model Ferrari's should have one of the Ferrari units or they are just working blind. The SD1, SD2, and SD3 are not scanners. They have scanner capabilities but their real value is as a computer interface. On their own as I see them used by most that have not been trained in their use they have very limited capabilities. On the other hand when used in concert with a PC they can do quite a lot.
Noah, It is a sign of a worn clutch when all 3 items are present. I believe you misread my post. I didn't say one of the 3 like you inferred.
Hi Brian- (did I see somewhere that you are an f-car mechanic)? I totally agree that they are the best choice and I've only seen them interfaced to a laptop. But they are around $25,000 or so, and an OBDII is less than $150. It can reset my "check engine" light if I leave gas cap off by mistake and it can tell me condition of O2 sensors and CATS. But I have yet to see an SD2/3 scanner at any of the so called "great independant shops" around here. Just me experiences... as I am not mechanically inclined myself. Regards, Eric
Yes since 1979. I don't have an SD3 yet either because the SD1+SD2 software was junk for the first year to 2 years and I doubt the SD3 will be any different. Also I will not see enough SD3 cars for that period for it to be usefull to have one. I agree that for an owner to have one of those units is a waste but for a shop not to have one is like not having a BAR license.
I just spoke with Eugenio as I misunderstood what he had explained to me and I apologize to Brian, Eugenio, and anyone else if I came across as a "know-it-all" or something; it's just I've been trying to understand this (hey, I'm a software guy). Eugenio corrected me that his ODBII unit CANNOT access any of the F1 settings (clutch weat) or very f-car specific things like seat potentiometer settings, etc. BUT his unit is better than a standard handheld unit as it also has software that runs on his laptop to graph results, do printouts, etc. I guess the point I was trying to make is that an ODBII scanner is within the price-range of a casual user, and a "basic" scanner is kind of cryptic in it's output and the pins need to be jumpered differently to work on an f-car at all. The SD1/2/3 is not something a general enthusiast is going to buy, and may not find at many independant shops either. I hope I didn't put my foot in my mouth again- just trying to share what little knowledge I'm gathering. Sincerely, Eric
No apology required. I think someone who is used to using a scanner on a 360 would be very much surprised at how much more an SD can do. Like I said it is like working blind.
No they have been offered by various importers for some time. I was offered one before the US dealers had theirs. Daniel at Ricambi America has had them for sale and has moved a few.
Is everyone going to try to upsell me on $5000 job, for something that just needs to be adjusted? How do you know what you really need?
