Mine’s done it once.... It was whilst rolling down a slight incline in 2nd gear using engine braking. The TCU doesn’t like it as it can’t work out what’s going on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
did it one before but as alarm module was starting to fail replaced it. it stalled both times when going from 2nd to 1st . the clutch was replaced not long ago and when replaced alarm module dealer put it on the diagnostic machines and checked transmission also got them to get f1 transmission to self learn it gears.
mike is that just one of the quirks they have ? so when you slow down don't keep confusing the tcu when it going to change from 2nd to 1st by having foot on accelerator
The pin has to be installed with the holder inside the barrel otherwise it can’t be assembled. I’m curious to know how it’s held in place. It shouldn’t need to be a real interference fit at it can’t slide out once the actuator is fully assembled. Another thought....is the failure just simple fatigue or is it a symptom of something else e.g. misalignment caused by a faulty engagement position sensor? If it tries to rotate with the engagement out of alignment it will put a lot of force on those pins?
Replacement just arrived today. Thanks very much Aldous (AV engineering). It’s from a Maserati actuator, but identical to the one in Ferrari. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just taken some measurements from the broken pin on old and replacement part. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Few more side by side I’m not sure if the pin is tapered in the middle, both snapped parts have three uniform grooves. Can tell if this has happened due to stress during break or manufactured that way. Could be to flare it in the mid section to hold into the barrel centre shuttle ? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi scott! Thanks for sharing your work with us! I noticed that the slots work in reverse. Maybe you should previously press in the installed state by hand to make sure that it works. I hope it works. Is the Maserati cam used or new? Image Unavailable, Please Login
You are 100% correct, well spotted. Ive been looking at it to and the opposite direction slot will send the cam in the reverse direction i.e Up instead of Down. Makes total sense as the Maserati Actuator is virtually the same as the Ferrari one but upside down.
oh my god this is terrible. Is there no way to exchange the middle piece? It looks like the pin in the Maserati part was subsequently hammered, I think a saw cut at the end of the pin to recognize. Maybe you can gently heat the pin out of the Maserati cam and knock it out. and then hit the pin in the Ferrari cam.
Well I like to see it that we have learnt something and the Maserati part is not interchangeable. To be honest that was for me to do a quick fix on the Stradale while working out a way to manufacture the pin for others in the future. Plan B is now to fix my broken one.
I think that these 3 grooves in the middle of the pin is a breaking point, so that the finger when inserting the gear does not damage the gear if in the gear something stuck. If its really this way you cant use any stainless steel (as i mentioned above in post 33) to exchange the pin cuz you might break something else in your transmission or Actuator. I wonder if everything is ok with your transmission? It is of course possible that the pin is broken because of age. Maybe you should drive up the rear of the car and turn the rear wheel while the individual gears by hand on the transmission through to exclude that it is not the transmission. Otherwise, the new pin would break again in a jammed gear or gearbox. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I looked closely at the working Maserati unit and couldn’t see this marks. As you can see in the picture you highlight they are easily visible on my broken pin and protrude past the actual barrel body. Good point regarding gears, I’ll run some checks to test. My gut feel is this is due to age and bad weak design. My car has been a daily driver for 9 years and it’s driven harder than most 99% of the time in ‘race’ mode.
We need to see a good one (and no I’m not taking mine apart yet!) to see if the pins are designed to shear. If the hydraulics tried to select whist still partially engaged (like trying to go from 1st to 3rd without going into neutral on a manual) it could over-stress the part. Could it be the symptom not the cause? Eg it could be one of the position sensors faulty but that is easily testable when back together before the actuator goes back on the box. That said I do think in all probability it’s just age/fatigue. A good spot about the slot. Is it possible to drift the pin out and swap the part over? How are the remains held in the old part? Could that give a clue?
I think the markings are missing because that is not the original Maserati pin. In your picture you can see a sawn pin. Probably the same thing happened to the Maserati with the pin like you. That's why the pin does not look like the one in the Ferrai cam. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I think you’re probably spot on .....it does look like it might have been cut or dressed with a file unless they are just witness marks. Looking at the broken pin it’s probably just swaged in the middle to hold it in. If so the remnants should drift out or worst case drilled out and then it should be possible to fabricate a replacement to get you away again....
It is far too hard a pin (or at least it should be) to do that with a file. It was an inelegant grinding job.
The pins are knurled sort of to hold them in place. I doubt getting it out of the center shaft and swapping it is too difficult.
You could do it that way too. I would drill out the pin holder with a drill press. The pin has a diameter of about 5 mm I would put in the middle of the broken pin in the pin holder with a center punch a point. And drill with a 3 mm drill, leaving a ring with a thickness of 1 mm. Now the ring should be easier to knock out with caution. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I spoke with an expert yesterday who rebuilds these Actuators for Ferrari's Lambo's and Maserati. He said he rarely sees the 360 ones fail (good news for the rest of you with 360 variants). He explained original pin has the 3 marks intentionally, this is because the centre part has a slightly larger diameter than either end and that's the way the pin is manufactured. He has supplied me with an upgraded titanium stronger pin that he has developed. The great news is I've explained what i'm doing here with my investigation as to why these extremely expensive actuators fail and trying to throw some light on it for everyone. Also my intention to work with someone to manufacture the pin and refurb kit. He has agreed to supply the pins he has created and ship worldwide. Next I will attempt the removal of the old broken centre from the shuttle and refit the replacement. I'll verify everything works for me. Hopefully if this fix goes well that will include a 800 mile round trip to Le Mans France next month. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login