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  1. spikes360

    spikes360 Formula Junior

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    #1 spikes360, Jun 6, 2014
    I recently had a clutch replaced and have noticed that when I'm shifting from a stop and not letting up on the gas that there is a lag between gears. In other words I feel as though the car bogs down and you know how the car lifts up then comes down then lifts up then comes down between shifts - isn't this suppose to be a smooth transition?
     
  2. English Rebel

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    #2 English Rebel, Jun 6, 2014
    Sounds like the PIS was not set correctly.
    Alan
     
  3. rustybits

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    #3 rustybits, Jun 6, 2014
    Or the flywheel was worn, or the throwout is sticking, or clutch thickness when new not set, or a leak....don't jump on the "it's the PIS" bandwagon. There are many causes.
     
  4. tbakowsky

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    #4 tbakowsky, Jun 6, 2014
    Yup.
     
  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #5 tazandjan, Jun 6, 2014
    Mike- Get thee to someone competent with an SD2 for proper analysis. Hopefully the guys who replaced the clutch will take some responsibility.
     
  6. spikes360

    spikes360 Formula Junior

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    #6 spikes360, Jun 27, 2014
    Took it back to the dealer for a check and they adjusted the P.I.S. (no charge). Shifts a lot better now. I think my biggest problem was that I did a few laps in a 430 a few years ago and noticed how nice it shifted. When I purchased my 360 I expected it to work like the 430. I guess I was a little wrong. But I'm happy now - I did all the service 30k (its now at 30120), clutch, and got my first piece of carbon - drink holder!
     
  7. OUMick

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    #7 OUMick, Jun 27, 2014
    Isn't the PIS the cheapest to diagnose and "repair"? From what I've heard that's where you start.
     
  8. Ingenere

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    #8 Ingenere, Jun 27, 2014
    PIS is relatively easy to set with the SD2. It can also be set manually.
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #9 tazandjan, Jun 28, 2014
    Dino- Interesting. Did you mean you can set it manually with an SD2 or you can set it manually without an SD2? That would be handy.
     
  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #10 Rifledriver, Jun 28, 2014
    Where you start is doing a proper and complete clutch replacement which has become a very rare commodity.
     
  11. Ingenere

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    #11 Ingenere, Jun 28, 2014
    Without the SD2. There is a 'back door'! :)
     
  12. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #12 Rifledriver, Jun 28, 2014
    There is but success requires a great deal of luck, hence the software update.
     
  13. tazandjan

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    #13 tazandjan, Jun 28, 2014
    Brian- Sounds like another secret handshake bit of knowledge. Is the trick applicable to all dry plate clutch F1 systems?
     
  14. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #14 Rifledriver, Jun 28, 2014
    No. Ferrari figured out pretty quickly it didn't work except when all the planets were aligned correctly. I would say it is better than nothing but its not. At least a 50/50 it makes things worse. I am almost certain it isn't possible except in 355 and 360 and I don't think it works in late 360 software.
     
  15. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #15 tazandjan, Jun 29, 2014
    Brian- Thanks. Sounds like they figured out owners did not need another way to shoot themselves in the foot.
     

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