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360 F1 Stall at slow speed Problem

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  1. Modenathebeautiful

    Jun 17, 2007
    38
    Just wondering if anyone has had the fairly common 360 stall problem (car stalls at low speed, sometimes turning into a driveway, or going over bumps or a speed bump, or with some owners when they are in stop and go city traffic; in my case it stalls often when going down a very steep driveway at very slow speed), and if it has been corrected by their dealer -- and what the cause was? It doesn't seem to be related to the clutch position sensor, throwout bearing, or throwout bearing pin length, so it must be something else.
    Thanks!
     
  2. Camdon53

    Camdon53 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2006
    507
    Texas, USA
    Full Name:
    Jim
    Never had anything like that happen with my '02 F1 coupe and never talked to anyone else about it either so I'm not clear on why it's thought to be so common. Sounds like something is busted and should be diagnosed & fixed at a competent shop?
     
  3. fc2

    fc2 F1 Veteran
    Owner

    Nov 2, 2006
    5,263
    Silicon Valley Ca.
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    Frank C.
    It happened twice to me when I had my year 2000 360... I had no idea how I stalled a car with no clutch pedal.

    Both times it happened while slowing and now downshifting the F1 tranny myself, but counting on the car to do this for me.

    After the 2nd time I always made sure I downshifted all the way to 2nd... and once I got the hang of my car and knew how it would react, I would sometimes downshift to 1st.

    It hasn't happened yet in my F430... thankfully.
     
  4. Phil Ivey

    Phil Ivey Karting
    BANNED

    Oct 19, 2010
    58
    it sucks! i know just what your talking about. happened 3 or 4 times in the 360 never fixed dealer said happens just when on an inline and some bad timing as far as the revs. have a 430 now never done it
     
  5. FERRARI-TECH

    FERRARI-TECH Formula 3

    Nov 9, 2006
    1,677
    Los Angeles
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    Ferrari-tech
    I had a 99 360 F1 here a couple of months ago with the exact same symptoms, went through all the usual testing and of course it would never stall on me only the owner, after a couple of visits i finally got it to stall. I started doing my "Vulcan mind meld" on the car and realized that the floor mat was pushing forward ever so slightly when you braked and it was pushing on the gas pedal just enough to take the car of idle and cause the clutch not to disengage and as you came to a stop the motor obviously stalled. Pulled the carpet back, new clips on happy customer leaves free of charge and has not stalled in a couple of months. Maybe a fluke but check the carpets. :)
     
  6. Modenathebeautiful

    Jun 17, 2007
    38
    VERY INTERESTING and thanks very much! I'll do some testing going down the steep driveway without my floor mat in. It would be incredible if that were it.
     
  7. Modenathebeautiful

    Jun 17, 2007
    38
    " I had a 99 360 F1 here a couple of months ago with the exact same symptoms, went through all the usual testing and of course it would never stall on me only the owner, after a couple of visits i finally got it to stall. I started doing my "Vulcan mind meld" on the car and realized that the floor mat was pushing forward ever so slightly when you braked and it was pushing on the gas pedal just enough to take the car of idle and cause the clutch not to disengage and as you came to a stop the motor obviously stalled. Pulled the carpet back, new clips on happy customer leaves free of charge and has not stalled in a couple of months. Maybe a fluke but check the carpets. "

    My dealer says that no Ferrari has the 'runaway' feature which stalls the car if the brake and accelerator pedals are pushed at the same time. But if the car's floor mat is pressing slightly on the accelerator, will the car (F1) indeed stall at a stop, or coming to a stop? You may have hit on something big here, because your explanation would cover why mine only stalls going downhill, not uphill, and also why this problem doesn't seem to exist with any manual transmissions 360's, only the F1's.
     
  8. Modenathebeautiful

    Jun 17, 2007
    38
    I tested the car with the driver's side floor mat removed, and it still stalled as usual when going down a steep driveway when braking to a near stop in 1st gear before a speed bump. Too bad -- I was hoping it could be as simple as the floor mat!

    Anyone else with a similar problem?
     
  9. Akram

    Akram Formula Junior

    Aug 17, 2009
    352
    Clive, Iowa
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    Ray Salloum
    Trust me it's not the floor mat. Mine has done it since I got it. It is the equivalent of that gulp you get in your throat as you try to swallow too much at once, just ask any woman. The car wants to stall as you go from 2nd to 1st slowing down and usually up hill into a drive way. Either slow way way down or go faster is the only way to fix it. I pull into my garage at 60 MPH now and that fixed it. I am a Professional, please don't try this at home.
     
  10. concours

    concours Karting

    Jan 10, 2008
    120
    Palos Verdes, Ca
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    Richard
    Eric, been thinking about your stall problem. First I don't believe that it has anything to do with the floor mat, I am convinced that it is associated with the stupid alarm system. Somehow it is misreading some input signals and causing the engine stall. Can you get your mechanic to attack the problem from this angle?
     
  11. Dino Milano

    Dino Milano Rookie

    Oct 30, 2008
    49
    Italy,Belgium
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    Dino M.
    Mine has this problem too, sometimes!
    The Modena is a very fantastic car, but I dream about a 360 without all this electronic stuff!
    A 360 that should be as simple as a 308
    Sometimes the dreams came true!

    Ciao Dino
     
  12. FerrariDublin

    FerrariDublin F1 Rookie

    Jun 14, 2009
    3,454
    Dublin, Ireland
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    Greg
    Should've got a 6 speed?
     
  13. Skidkid

    Skidkid F1 Veteran
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    Aug 25, 2005
    9,524
    Campbell, CA
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    John Zornes
    Personally I have never seen this problem.

    I guess if you set the PIS too tight you could have this issue. The PIS was too tight when I got my car and it wanted to pull the car along if you let off the brake. Reset tyhings and it worked perfectly ever since.
     
  14. PhilNotHill

    PhilNotHill Two Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jul 3, 2006
    27,855
    Aspen CO 81611
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    FelipeNotMassa
    My 360 F1 did this once going downhill pulling out of the garage. I assumed that the car was not sufficiently warmed up. It has not happened again since I am making sure the car is warmed up.

    Of course, if this happened during or after driving a few miles this could not be the problem.
     
  15. FERRARI-TECH

    FERRARI-TECH Formula 3

    Nov 9, 2006
    1,677
    Los Angeles
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    Sorry it was not the floor mat. That was one of the simplest fixes i ever did. That car was actually just here for its annual and owner confirmed no stalling in 2 months since we moved the floor mat back. There are of course multiple input signals that control both the clutch and engine idle, one of them is missing or out of spec. The TCU has a counter for when it shuts off the engine. Has that been activated?, that would help you diagnose weather it is an engine issue or a TC shutting down the engine. I doubt its the alarm causing this. Sticking T/O bearing, clutch position sensor, lots of variables and hard to diagnose without seeing the car. If you want to call the shop some time i will try to help but with out seeing the car its very hard. I wish it had been the mat i could have lived of that diagnosis for years ;)
     
  16. Modenathebeautiful

    Jun 17, 2007
    38
    Richard --- thanks for your help, and interesting that you mention that, because on the latest stall (which I taped with my movie camera), the dealer noticed that after the car stalled, it would not restart until I re-clicked the remote as though unlocking it. So the dealer is now going to check the alarm system (which was installed new 2 years ago).
     
  17. Modenathebeautiful

    Jun 17, 2007
    38
    No problem at all --- I greatly appreciated your input. I too wish it had been the mat !
     

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