360 FOBS

I don't know the answer but suggest this excellent thread. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230917&highlight=master+slave+remote

 

Doug- That thread is old and some of the information in old versions of my document is incorrect, so I will attach the latest one here.

Unfortunately, you need the old PIN to program the Alarm ECU to accept your new fobs and PIN. When the PIN and some fobs are missing, you have three choices:

1) Have your dealer get the original PIN for you, if he can. With that, you can program the Alarm ECU to accept your new fobs and PIN. Price somewhere between $0 and $550, depending on customer.

2) Get a new Alarm ECU with a matching set of fobs and PIN. Unfortunately the kit described costs ~$2K.

3) Clone the black fob you have as many times as you like. During cloning, the EEPROM contents are stored as a file. After storing, they can be used as many times as necessary to create fobs for you without having to have the original fob available.

Your three fobs and PIN are a valuable asset, but unusable on your car without the original PIN. Talk to your dealer and see what he says. FNA has been charging ~$500 for the old PIN, but then you will have a full set of three matching fobs.

The cheapest route is to clone two more black fobs and sell your new set of three fobs with PIN. If you are interested in that route, PM me, and we can probably make a deal, since I have two new black fobs still sealed in plastic. Eric355 and I have been trying to crack the PIN code in the red fob, and having another set with PIN will probably allow us to do that. We already have the data from my original set of three and think we know where the PIN code is located, but are not 100% sure.

The biggest mistake in the old programming document is stating you can use your red fob to program the Alarm ECU to accept random black fobs. You cannot, because the fobs are a matched set of three.

Taz
Terry Phillips
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3) Clone the black fob you have as many times as you like. During cloning, the EEPROM contents are stored as a file. After storing, they can be used as many times as necessary to create fobs for you without having to have the original fob available.

where would you go to clone the black fob?
can this be done even if you dont know your original pin or would you have to get that from fna first

thanks
rob

 

Cloning does not require the PIN - it does of course require another black fob - Eric355 in France and possibly some US members here offer the service

 

Right now the two I know who are actively cloning are Eric355 and gobble. Brian Crall has someone who does cloning, but I have no contact information for him.

The Remote Superstore is a good source for new remotes at $129.99 each. Note there is no difference between red and black fobs except the color of the plastic and differences in what is written to the Erasable EPROM. You can clone a red fob to a black one and vice versa. So if you find one on E-Bay from the US, color makes no difference.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

That's not quite right. With the remotes at Remote Superstore, there is a difference between the red and black ones. The red ones they have are for euro frequency. Black ones are mostly U.S. frequency. Be careful. Different frequencies will not work the same. And switching frequencies is not that simple.

 

Eric- You cannot switch frequencies between fobs. Just changing the SAW filter will not do the job. One of us tried. Where did you get the info the red and black fobs are different frequencies from Remote Superstore? Color makes no difference on fobs until the EEPROM is burned, but they need to be the correct frequency.

For those of you who did not know, Euro fobs are 433 Mhz and US fobs are 315 Mhz. A few more complications than that, but close enough. See the document for a more detailed listing.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I bought a red one from RS. All the red ones from RS have the euro frequency even though they say it will work, it won't. Gobble and I tried to change the frequency and it didn't work. Gobble was getting instruction from Eric in France. If you have a solution, maybe we can try again. Gobble was able to clone regular blk remotes with the proper frequency. I think he tried to change the filter and it was not successful.

Eric

 

Eric- Affirmative, gobble did try that and no go. Will have to give R.S. a call. I need two reds and two blacks (or four blacks and some red paint/decals) to fill out two more complete sets of three matched fobs, but the wrong freq fob is less than worthless.

I made the first set of three matched fobs Eric355 produced available to a friend of mine with a 456M, original PIN, and only one black fob. Hopefully he will have the ECU programmed to accept them this week. He started the engine with key and PIN only, which every owner should try. If you cannot do that, best just to have your fob cloned. Part of the deal was that he send me his old black fob.

We are close to understanding the entire contents of the EEPROMs.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Taz - is there anyway to change the frequency of the euro fob to match US frequency?

If you look closely at RS red fobs, you will see that they are all euro frequency fobs. I have 2 blk ones, was just trying to make a cosmetically complete set.

 

FYI: There is a RED fob for sale on Ebay. Search for "Ferrari key"

Also, my understanding is that the frequency is usually determined by the "crystal" on the circuit board. I do not know if this is the case on these fobs?

 

Tung- Affirmative, the SAW filter is one determinant of frequency, but swapping them does not work.

Eric- Unfortunately, none of us has figured out how to change fob frequency yet.

There has been a red fob on E-Bay for quite a while, but the $195 price is ridiculous. Most of mine have cost $70-125. Need to find a good source at a reasonable price. No reason for the high price since they are identical to the black fobs except for plastic color.

Someone also had a supposed matched set of three plus PIN, but his description was so full of holes, I did not trust him. E-mails brought no more confidence.

Taz
Terry Phillips