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360 immobilizer question

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  1. JoeyM

    JoeyM Formula Junior

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    so you know how if you leave the car unlocked for awhile, the immobilizer activates and you cant start the car without a bunch of button pushing?


    is there anyway to get rid of that?

    i just took the time this wkd and got rid of that annoying function on my murcielago. can i do the same on the 360? (so when its unlocked, its unlocked and able to be started with the key at any point, past the 5 mins or whatever it is currently).


    i've searched through this forum, but cant find the answer.

    thanks
     
  2. Camdon53

    Camdon53 Formula Junior

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    #2 Camdon53, Oct 13, 2009
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    "A bunch of button pushing"? It's exactly one push on exactly one button. Takes what -- 1 or 2 seconds? How is this such an inconvenience?

    In answer to your question, I don't think it's possible (and certainly not easily) to disable the immobilizer on a 360. For very good reasons the system is heavily integrated into many of the electrical and mechanical subsystems. You can pretty much rest assured that nobody will start your car after the system engages.

    Again, how is this a bad thing? If the key FOB is lost or damaged, it's easy and quick to start the car with just the key and security code (maybe 20 seconds instead of 1). I guess I just don't understand the attraction of disabling such a slick and effective security system to save 1 second.
     
  3. JoeyM

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    i think the ferrari alarm beeping is one of the most annoying beeps i've heard. if you don't that's fine. also if that one button push adds up to 100 seconds of my life that isn't spent in annoyance, i would find that a wonderful thing.

    yeah, i dont believe it would be (or should be) difficult to change either. the murcielago alarm is similarly "heavily integrated into many electrical and mechanical systems". but there are still many preferences you can set once you get your hands on the manual for the alarm module.
     
  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Joey- Keep us informed and good luck. That is one windmill against which most of us have quite tilting.

    Just so you know, the immobilizer rearms 120 seconds after the remote is used if the engine is not started. If you have been driving the car, the immobilizer arms 60 seconds after the key is removed and the door is opened.

    Taz
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  5. Camdon53

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    #5 Camdon53, Oct 13, 2009
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    Aside from the convenience/irritation aspect, it's my understanding that Ferrari spent a lot of effort making it difficult to do what you're attempting to do. If it's easy for you to defeat their security system, then it's easy for the bad guys too. If someone figures out how to do it and blathers it around the Internet, a lot more modern Ferraris will be stolen. No offense intended, but I am not anxious for you to succeed.

    P.S. Incidentally, you just told the world your Murci might be easy pickins'....
     
  6. tazandjan

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    #6 tazandjan, Oct 13, 2009
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    Jim- I do have to admit it is a real pain pushing the remote button once if the 120 seconds or 60 seconds have expired. Never can tell when you might develop a blister or something, pressing that button once.

    Most problems with Ferrari alarm systems are owners not understanding how they work. Tutorial attached.

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  7. fredf355

    fredf355 Karting

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    If someone figures out a work around for this feature, it will be the most implemented upgrade/update/modification of a Ferrari ever.

    Today, the immobilizer keeps no one from stealing a Ferrari. Who parks a Ferrari where an immobilizer keeps it from getting stolen? Sometimes Ferrari is a little slow - at least they have gotten current and no longer have sticky black interior parts (on the 430) after how many years.

    Kill the immobilizer, please.
     
  8. nt6d

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    I think if you keep the key in the ignition and press the button, it should not beep even after the timeout. Lights will blink but no beeping.
     
  9. Dannytestarossa

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    Anyone knows how to bypass the immobilizer, I remember seeing a pictures?
     
  10. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    Search here on 'immobilizer' and/or contact 360trev
     
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  11. Qavion

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    You can bypass the immobiliser for cranking (only) using a simple jumper wire. However, you will need the expertise/commercial services of 360trev if you want to completely disable the immobiliser to allow a proper start.
     
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  12. yelcab

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    You need software redone on the CPU and also a small change in the wiring after you remove the immo connection.
     
  13. clean512

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    Trev did mine. No beeb anymore just put key in and start
     
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  14. 360trev

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    These days I normally try to dissuade people from removing the immobilizer entirely, especially on the 360 where you will also loose your remote central locking too if its removed in its entirety. Key based central locking will still function but remote would be eliminated if the entire system is removed. Furthermore there are options such as getting a replacement key fob from someone like Gobble who is well known on here. Not to mention the issues related to insurance (you must inform your insurer if you remove the factory immobilizer) and they may insist on a multi circuit immobilizer to be installed aftermarket to satisfy their requirements.

    The factory immobilizer ofcourse can be deleted in software which is usually only a last resort, the better 'convenience' feature which I recommend as part of recalibration is to re-configure the "rearming" time so instead of 29.44 seconds (default re-arm time once you unlock the doors with the fob) its 2 minutes. This gives you more time to get in and start the car before your immobilizer re-arms itself. I always found it was just never enough time so I (like many other 360 owners) used to get in, sit down, put on belt, then click fob lock/unlock dance before trying to start the car. Very frustrating! This can easily be corrected.
     
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  15. 360trev

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  16. Dannytestarossa

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    360 Trev how can I get my unit to you and work your magic? my 360 is a 2002
     
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  17. yelcab

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    There is this one work around on the 355 to minimize the bother.

    You disconnect the wires to the door switch (there are two) on the driver door. One switch controls the light, the other sends its signal to the Immobilizer. Disconnect the wires to the second switch. This way, when you open the driver side door, the immobilizer never knows about it and does not arm the alarm.

    My own 360 has stumbled on this function. I think that switch or the wires are unreliable so 50% of the times I get in and crank over the key and the engine fires without the use of the immo button.

    Your mileage may vary.
     
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  18. cavlino

    cavlino Formula 3

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    I canfirm this works on the 355, I discovered it by fluke back in 2011 when I was replacing the headers.

    You can still arm the car if you use the fob to lock the car.
     

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