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  1. traknut

    traknut Karting

    Mar 30, 2006
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    The backlights in my 2001 360 instrument cluster are out. The needles light up, but the numbers and backlights do not. Any way to fix this, or do i need a new cluster? Thanks!
     
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  3. H4MXX

    H4MXX Rookie

    Jun 25, 2005
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    Are you sure theyve gone out, not just been dimmed? Try increasing the brightness using the two buttons on the dash by the steering.
     
  4. traknut

    traknut Karting

    Mar 30, 2006
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    The Dealer told me to replace the cluster, but I can't beleive that is the only way.
     
  5. tonyc

    tonyc Formula 3

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    Is there any chance that a fuse is out that controls the back lights?
     
  6. traknut

    traknut Karting

    Mar 30, 2006
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    I checked the fuses.....But thanks anyway..
     
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  8. H4MXX

    H4MXX Rookie

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    if your a techie or knows someone who "corrects mileage" they'll be used to opening up the cluster and should be able to diagnose if its just the LEDS or something more complicated thats gone, and should be able to fix it if its something easy.
     
  9. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    The insides of the 360 cluster are quite complex with regards to how it illuminates the dash. I have one apart now, and will have a solution in the coming weeks.

    (EDIT: ok, I don't personally have it apart -- but my good friend who lives/breaths microelectronics has the thing in his billion dollar lab, and is working on it)

    A new cluster is about $4000 -- and takes weeks to get from Ferrari + tons of paperwork for mileage and VIN stuff. Save your money -- we'll have a solution considerably less expensive.
     
  10. thelurker

    thelurker Rookie

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    same problem on my 99 in last 6 months. it seems to be a common problem, and it is not a fuse or lighting level.

    does anyone know if the original part been improved or redesigned, or will a factory replacement cluster "burn out" just like the original? this could mean $4k every 1-5 years for the life of the car? what's the point. i think i'll just insert some glow sticks in there for now.
     
  11. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
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    Shhhh......... don't give away Daniels solution...
     
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  13. APA#1

    APA#1 Formula 3
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    Nov 5, 2003
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    Here's a little thought for you guys.

    The "backlight" of a 360 is an EL panel custom made for Ferrari.

    If you have the cluster out you will see a printed ribbon around the perimeter.. As the actual panel hardly EVER fails it is probably the exciter circuit also know as the power supply to the EL panel.

    This panel plugs into the cluster like a ribbon on a computer. There are two contacts on the actual EL panel. As they all work the same way you could concievably remove the ribbon from the cluster and seperately power the EL panel by itself with a key or lights on switch.

    It is AC voltage and uses a transformer much like a neon tube does. You also should be able to put a multimeter across the terminals and check for voltage

    Here's a link to an EL site that might be helpful.

    http://www.electrolamp.com/elpanel.html
    http://www.electrolamp.com/elinverter.html

    There are other sites as well.

    This is something for the "tech" guys to get into and a future profit item for someone :) as I would think spending 4K for a new cluster is crazy. Can't hurt the EL panel at this point if it's out.

    As I am doing the 360 tach faces etc I was researching this to see if I could change the color from factory.

    I know if mine goes out this is the route I am taking.
     
  14. FERRARI-TECH

    FERRARI-TECH Formula 3

    Nov 9, 2006
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    D you are killing me !!!
    I spoke to Dave a couple of weeks ago about a cluster and he didn't give me this good news.
    I found a used cluster, changing the mileage to match the old is no problem, but the one I got came out of a car with F1 and i need to put into a stick car. Hence I have to little warning lights on. I stripped out the clusters to see if I could just exchange the the ribbon, but the back section of the printed circuit board is "sealed" and i did not feel like owning 2 clusters !!
    On the fuse front, the cluster illumination fuse is a 5 amp behind the drivers seat, I cannot remember the number, sorry, just check 'em all.
    Let me know if your "billion dollar lab" guy comes up with a fix, I have enough cluster to keep him busy all year.
    See ya Friday!!
    D
     
  15. traknut

    traknut Karting

    Mar 30, 2006
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    My whole cluster is not out, just the numbers. The needles still light up. Any thoughts?
     
  16. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    1) Check fuse behind the driver's seat.
    2) Pay $4000 for new cluster.
    3) Wait for Daniel to have exchange units available at a lower cost.
    4) Disassemble cluster, attempt own fix by studying up on EL panels and transformers.

    I think that about sums up the thread thus far.
     
  17. FERRARI-TECH

    FERRARI-TECH Formula 3

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    Same fault, i just gave Dan another Cluster to "play" with, lets see how this works out.
    We know there is a fix possible, because they do it in the UK, we just have to get there and make it cost effective.
    Good luck getting it from a Dealer with out shelling out north of $5K
     
  18. Murph

    Murph Formula 3

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    You guys seen the "light" yet?
     
  19. John Custer

    John Custer Rookie

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    #16 John Custer, Oct 6, 2007
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  20. Murph

    Murph Formula 3

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    Too cool.
    Damian/Daniel how's yours coming along?
    I want to drive:D
     
  21. No Doubt

    No Doubt Six Time F1 World Champ
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    So was the initial problem with the OEM light panel/film or with the OEM ballast/power supply?
     
  22. John Custer

    John Custer Rookie

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    The OEM light panel failed. The power supply was ok.
     
  23. No Doubt

    No Doubt Six Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks! Nice fix, by the way.
     
  24. traknut

    traknut Karting

    Mar 30, 2006
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    That is great! How can I do mine. Do you have directions. I would be glad to pay you for your time.
     
  25. duskybird

    duskybird F1 World Champ
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    Can a panel be made that has more light coverage?
     
  26. Whatever

    Whatever Formula Junior

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    My lights just went out. Is this something you can sell? If not is there more information on where to get the EL light panel?

    Thanks, Dan
     
  27. PeteV

    PeteV Rookie

    Mar 23, 2010
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    I've just finished replacing the backlight flat panel on my 360 1999, I've previously checked fuses etc but it still does not work :cry:, does any one have another ideas for diagnosis.

    cheers
    Pete
     
  28. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #25 tazandjan, Mar 25, 2010
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    Nick- These guys can fix your digital instrument panel, regardless of the problem. They rebuilt my 575SA cluster, which had a fire due to a factory assembly error.

    Franchorchamps of America, Inc.
    935 Sunset Dr Suite A
    Costa Mesa, CA 92627
    (949) 631-6373

    Rod Drew
    t28flyer@yahoo.com

    Will White
    http://www.ferrarioc.com/


    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     

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