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360 Manual Conversions - New info?

Discussion in '360/430' started by Vantage007, Jun 11, 2022.

  1. one4torque

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    #26 one4torque, Jun 17, 2022
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    The number of f1 cars in the queue for gated conversion indicates a strong demand to row your own gears.

    Time will tell if the swap demand remains strong.

    If you have to pay 1.8x over an f1 car to get an oem gated car… then I see the swap cars fitting somewhere in between the two.





    Ive yet to hear of a gated car swapped to f1… but may it will happen someday? I’ve driven an f1 car and it was not for me. My wife’s m2 gives me the flappy paddle experience.





    I see an opp in the future to pickup a beat f1 spider w f1 issues and top issues— then gated swap and add the new aftermarket liftoff hardtop for the ult lw and rel fun.


    Many don’t consider the gated a premium… or modena a premium…. But rather they look at the troublesome f1 and top as detractors in value .. if the car has not been maintained.


    If you look at 360 value tracking over time it is the f1 variant trailing the overall trend…. I believe the gated cars truly rep where the value of 360’s should be relative to the others 355 and 430.
     
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  3. Vantage007

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    Yeah, the differential between a minty F1 car and a minty gated car is at least $50,000 where I'm located, even more in some cases. I happened to come across a wicked deal (~30% under market) for a spotless F1 car that needed nothing but tires and stickies. I thought I might be okay to live with an F1 box (my V8 Vantage, 964 911, E39 M5 and S2000 are all sticks) but after just one day behind the wheel I realized I simply couldn't.

    The car is incredible with the exception of the transmission, and I have the technician/tooling to do the conversion. We've set a goal date of July 10 to have a gated car on the road. I'm also going to be doing a major service (it has been five years and ~5,000km) and a couple of small bits before it hits the ground.

    Will keep you all posted!
     
  4. brogenville

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    Not very well finished in my opinion- the exposed paddle rockers on the steering column and the obviously aftermarket shift plate don’t do justice to a 10k mile car in my opinion.

    That said, i completely agree that you should convert your car because that’s the car you want to have. There is an argument for manual 360’s to just buy a factory manual, as they weren’t that rare to start with.

    Modified cars making a premium on the cost of modification is a historical aberration. Seems inevitable to me that the market would correct that.


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  5. EastMemphis

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    The shift gate is a very limited item. A car has to die to free one up as they are made of unobtainium. If you're going to convert to manual, you're going to use an aftermarket gate. A clever thief could steal a gate and sell it for thousands on eBay... (Of course, "clever" and "thief" are mutually exclusive.)
     
  6. one4torque

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    Over the past 3 yrs I’ve been collecting gated swap parts… I watch f chat Facebook mkt place and eBay and the breaker sites….

    see below all the oem parts I’ve amassed ;;;

    1 / gated console

    that is it!!!!

    I recall seeing an entire oem hardware kit from a wreck sell on eBay in 2018 for $3500!! I thought that was a crazy number ..
     
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  8. one4torque

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    Do we ever expect an f1 swap kit to be desired?? In the future..
     
  9. LVP488

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    For original gated cars, most probably not - but, one may imagine that someday there could be a demand to "restore" converted cars to original-like, whenever the cars would have become museum pieces and therefore being closer to authentic will be the main considered value... This may happen if many cars are converted, making the original F1 rarer.
     
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  10. romeo7

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    Agree that these shift gates are now rare, but is it true that they were previously available through Ferrari spare parts? New old stock shift gate would be a dream come true for many.
     
  11. tomw

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    cos it’s fun. It’s not always about speed. Or residual value.
     
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  13. LVP488

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    But then, why not choose an older car that's easily available as a manual?
     
  14. Alpintourer

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    At 26,000 mi. my 360 F1 shifting experience over the last 8 years has been flawless. I did replace the pump as a preventative measure because it was taking 15 sec. to prime. It was not that expensive.
    The reliability of F1 (and top mechanisms for that matter) tend to get blown out of proportion on these forums and then get repeated on YouTube channels by people who don't even own them let alone are even old enough to drive them.

    As an aside: I'm waiting for the first lawsuit where the Manual Conversion was not disclosed to the buyer who paid a silly premium.
     
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  15. Some Guy in the sky

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    This is an interesting point, I've had my 360 stick for several years now and the reason I went for the 360 instead of an older car was because the 360 was cheaper at the time.
     
  16. vrsurgeon

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    Dave I love ya' man.. but at 26,000 miles I wouldn't expect anything at all to break. That's like first year or two mileage of any other car. :)

    Mine has close to 68,000 miles. If it's still as flawless at 50k.. then I'd make a claim about reliability. :) It's like saying a year old car has no issues.. the reliability comments are there for a reason. Just read this thread any week and there will be an F1 issue post. :)

    Not arguing.. and I get your point... just saying.. :)
     
  17. Zed82

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    Just check the first two pages of the 360/430 forum and count the threads with F1 issues.
     
  18. tomw

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    Maybe the owner likes their 360, maybe they have owned it a long time and want to keep it forever… Could be any reason.

    As Ferrari owners we are not exactly rational at the best of times or we wouldn’t have them at all. Making the decision to convert the transmission on a car when it doesn’t make logical or financial sense is no more of a surprise than buying the car in the first place :)
     
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    I did. 50 posts per page or 100 posts had 3 F1 specific issues and 3 Manual specific issues. I'd call that a draw!
     
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  20. EastMemphis

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    I believe whatever the manual specific problem, it would be far easier to diagnose and fix on a manual. No ATF involved either. However, if you came back from your fancy dinner out and the gate had been stolen, then you're totally screwed. There's no F1 problem that can't be fixed. Since so many have converted to manual, there's plenty of parts available.

    It might actually be worth using security screws to hold in the gate. The gate is probably the most valuable part per unit work to remove from the car. Couple grand on eBay, if you can find one.
     
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    I counted to five threads of F1-issues with a quick glance. I´d take those rare manual issues any day over the F1 issues with all the mystery leaks, pressure issues, shifting issues etc etc.
     
  22. flash32

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    I have help fix over six cars/issues with less than 300 dollars .. sometimes issues get blown out of proportion

    So not sure how many of those threads match to the ones I help fix but please work that into the equation

    We fix them cheaper than a ac recharge

    Please let's not forget this system is used in fiats Maserati and others .. just in Ferrari the shops try to charge you an arm and a leg ..it is a shame

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    The only mystery is the incompetence of some mechanics and chinese whispers to and from the pretty voice/face of your service manager
     
  24. Zed82

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    No matter how you see it, manual gearbox is a peace of mind and a revelation to the car. The F1 system is clunky and just a hassle in most circumstances apart maybe from going flat out. And then there´s the reliability issues and finding someone who can take care of it the right way AND not overcharge. Seems like searching for a unicorn. Everybody that see the cavallino know they are about to get payed. :)
     
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  25. vrsurgeon

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    Sure. Because so many people have mechanics that are incompetent and listen to chinese whispers (whatever that means BTW). Reputations are formed, not given. And the market apparently agrees BTW.
     
  26. vrsurgeon

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    It's a crap transmission with the DCT now available. So many people wanting to get their car converted for $$$$$ isn't an aberration. Its an indicator.
     
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    Chinese whispers is a fun game, basically it means the more people a message is passed through the more incorrect it becomes
    Hence my dislike of dealing with the “pretty face or voice” behind the desk

    My work vehicles (hyundai) the last 2 times i insist i want airfilters changed irrespective of if its due, I confirm when booking via phone, in person at drop off and upon pickup its never done.
     

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