Hi everyone! Just a quick question: on the 360 what are the differences between a Manual and a F1 clutch? I know that are operated by different fluids (brake fluid for the manual, A/T fluid for the F1) and for this reason the thrust bearing has different seals... but the thrust bearing itself is exactly the same. Am I correct? Any other differences? Thank you all in adavnce
Clutch is exactly the same between the two. And the design of the thrust bearing is the same - only seals differ...
One thing that I'm not able to understand are the end of stroke pins.... these guys: Image Unavailable, Please Login Looking at the spare parts diagram they are installed only on F1 cars. Is that true? And if this is correct, how is the thrust bearing hold in place on manual cars?
I have the F1 type of bolt on my manual 360. When changing the clutch, I bought the HE uprated parts from Superformance. Says ”All” on their webpage: http://www.superformance.co.uk/360/clutch.html However; Looking at Eurospares web page you are clearly right: https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/360-modena/transmission-pedals/clutch-and-controls-not-for-f1-40662/16052024 Seriously: I don’t think it’ll matter much using the F1 model bolt in a manual car. I’m of course biased and hope someone else might chime in.
It can be used in a manual model. Before I bought mine I met a mechanic that installed it in his 360.
Just as a matter of curiosity, anyone knows in what they differ? I mean, is the material or the design? ...or maybe both?
I thought of Eric Clapton whose nickname is "Slowhand." And totally ignored the futile attempt to shoot down any of the magical awesomeness of a gated car.
Might be slower, but much more enjoyable, collectible, reliable, cheaper to maintain... Plus compared with modern dual clutch systems, the 360 F1 is a dissappointment... It was innovative at its time, but now it is dated and problematic, if not properly maintained !! So F1 vs Gated = 0 - 1 Next... (There is truth in the statements above, but all comments are meant in a positive and non-offensive way !! So if you own F1 be proud and enjoy it !!)
To answer your question, the clutch master cylinder has a constant volume stroke so the TB stroke is limited on the F1 the pump just keeps on pumping.
One thing to note is that Ferrari changed the length of the end of the stroke pins (made them longer) and lengthened the slot on the plastic mount for the clutch sensor. They claimed that this was done to help the system during it's initialization procedure. You can file the slot longer (5mm) on the plastic mount instead of shelling out $120+ for a new one. If you use the new longer pins and don't replace or modify the mount, it will break due to the pin for the sensor magnet hitting it.
When the clutch is new (not worn) the clutch fingers are forward (towards the engine). Sounds like with a limited TB stroke the clutch wasn't properly disengaging when not worn. Maybe that's part of the short clutch life saga. On a manual clutch the preload springs hold the TB bearing up against the clutch fingers so you always get the full stroke since there are no stops.
Agree. A new bearing mounting flange is also required to allow for the increased travel of the new pins, otherwise it will come off the end. I’ve just changed my release bearing and retained the old pins as the clutch is 30% worn so I didn’t need the extra travel. You can see hear that when fully extended it is close the the end of the mounting flange. The parts manager at my local dealer also said the seals are the same material it is just the backing O’rings that are different between manual and F1 Image Unavailable, Please Login
