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360 Modena - Codes w/o CEL

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  1. metaldriver

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    If any of you read the instructions in TSB 20 word-for-word, you will find some omissions within the steps. I now understand if you are unable to follow exactly the instructions, why not all of the readiness conditions will be complete. Thus it is not uncommon for several drive cycles (as suggested in post number 23) before all of the internal checks are eventually satisfied by the two engine ECUs. This may be accomplished by you driving around town; however, I suspect that during your normal driving habits some of the steps outlined in the TSB may not be met. Who intentionally slows from 4500 RPM in fourth gear to 2000 RPM without braking or clutching? Unless you do that, something the ECUs are supposed to check for won’t be, so your car may not be ready for inspection.

    I have wondered what exactly the OBD2 is looking for at each of these steps. Despite me previously scoffing at that driving procedure as being impractical to achieve, with the gaps filled in (which Ferrari does not spell out for you, are you assumed to already know it, I didn’t) the purpose behind the driving procedure is more meaningful. Use the below in conjunction with the PDF that is in post number 8, to help understand the logic behind the steps which Ferrari outlines.

    Step 1 - checks O2 sensor heating circuits, air pump, evaporative system

    Step 2a - checks for ignition misfire, fuel trim, canister purge

    Step 2b - checks EGR*, air pump, O2 sensors, canister purge

    *My definition of EGR is exhaust gas recirculation, which I thought a 360 does not have. If so, then EGR could refer to any of several valves in the fuel vapor capture plumbing.

    Step 2c - checks purge function during engine vacuum

    Step 3 - ECU controls idle speed

    Step 4a - checks misfire, fuel trim, purge

    Step 4b - checks catalytic convert efficiency, misfire, EGR, fuel trim, O2 sensors, purge

    Step 5 - checks EGR and purge
     
  2. honda.vfr

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    Not sure if this will help, but: on many cars the readiness tests can be started and performed by factory (or professional) diagnostic tools ... If I would be in your situation, I would try to PM someone who is familiar with SD2, who can tell you, if this is possible on 360 and try it if yes...
     
  3. fastradio

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    Not possible to force readiness with the SD-2...
     
  4. honda.vfr

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    Then you've saved the time with PM's

    Maybe my another stupid question, few years ago I had P911 996 US model, got the CEL with SA system. When replacing the manifold valve I noticed there was a sticker with diagram of vacuum system (and some evap device or what), that I followed and found two hoses swapped. Is the diagram on every US car? And theoretically, can be the problem found there?
     
  5. fastradio

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    I don't know if that diagram is mandated, but I've seen them on virtually every car made since the 70's...To your question, some vacuum switches don't "polarity" so to speak. Others are ported in such a way as it does matter what's connected to what.
     
  6. metaldriver

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    #31 metaldriver, Jun 5, 2016
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    I was able to clear the secondary air readiness code on my car. I followed the FNA 20 driving reset procedure, paying particular attention to the step that outlines driving at 2500 RPM in fourth gear for 3.5 miles then gradually accelerating to 4500 RPM then slowing (without clutching or braking) to 2000 RPM.

    My previous understanding was that each step of the driving procedure must be a seamless transition from one to the next. I now believe that to not be true, because as itemized in post # 26, in each step the ECU step is testing for specific parameters. After a parameter is okay, the ECU then tests the next parameter under different driving conditions. Each test is “independent” of each other, although all of the OBD systems are related one way or another, however slight.

    Note in particular step 2C where the ECU is checking the purge functions. In these two schematics …

    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/car-di...-air-pump.html

    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/car-di...on-device.html

    ... you will see a number of valves which are part of the fuel vapor capture plumbing. Fundamentally, this is affected by engine vacuum, so the stronger the vacuum the more effective the purge.

    After performing the prescribed ten minute drive at the end of that procedure I made a u-turn for the trip home. Being early in the morning there was no traffic, so I let the engine breath hard. I let off the gas at almost 160 MPH to let the engine slow the car down from about 7000 RPM to 3500 RM in sixth gear without clutching, so there was a stronger vacuum than in the step where I slowed from 4500 RPM to 2000 RPM in fourth gear.

    I am not certain if clearing the secondary air readiness code was a result of slowing the car during normal driving or by slowing the car from the high-speed pass. It seems plausible the success of the purge function is dependent on how strong of a vacuum is being pulled on the evaporative system. Below are the conditions of the before and after readiness codes.
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  7. Dave rocks

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    Nice work, Andy :)

    PS, that code reader looks pretty cool :cool:
     
  8. metaldriver

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    FChatter mello turned me on to it. Harbor Freight has it for $70. It provides a host of other information which is recording while data logging. Other parameters that I find particularly useful are fuel trim, mass airflow and air intake temperature.
     
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    Cool Andy. I have one that interfaces to an iPhone but I've not yet tried it.
     
  10. metaldriver

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    I previously used a wireless interface module that works with any number of free apps. One day my phone stopped communicating, no matter which of the three modules I plugged into the OBD port and no matter which of the three apps I have on my phone. I tried every combination then gave up and bought the Centech.
     

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