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360 Modena Reddish Oil leak - feedback please

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  1. jebzter

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    #1 jebzter, Jul 6, 2013
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    Hello! I have a 99 Modena F1 with only 25k miles.

    I've driven the car for 3k miles with no issues.

    Recently, I took it to Ferrari Of Washington for an Oil Change and Freon recharge.

    I parked the car for a week.

    When I took it out of my garage for a quick drive, I noticed oil on the floor and it's reddish in color. I have no check engine lights.

    Visual inspection from the top has no gasket leaks. The F1 reservoir is halfway full and has no leaks either.

    Dealer said that everything looks good. Clutch still has 65% life, the rear main seal is damp but not leaking.

    Can you chime in and tell me what this reddish oil is please before I take it back to the $tealership?!
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  2. alvav

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    Is the first picture a shot of oil absorbent that you threw down? If so, that's a lot of oil and I wouldn't drive the car as its probably transmission oil. As it appeared right after you came back from the dealer, I would go to them with this right away.
     
  3. vrsurgeon

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    Jeb,

    Now that I see where the leak originated... Possibly engine or tranny fluids. Either one, take it back and let them know. Are you sure you can't see any oil on the pan when looking down into the engine compartment? Reason I say this is could be if they flush the oil lines from the oil cooler on the right side of the engine bay, if not tightened the fittings could poss leak. Also tranny oil could be leaking running down the center of the pan.

    Can you do me a favor and take the cap off the power steering fluid reservoir. Clean it and rest it on the reservoir top without screwing it back on. Is the level between the lines?
     
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    #4 bisel, Jul 7, 2013
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    You say the F1 reservoir is half full. Is that when hot or cold. The cold level after the pump has spooled up when you open the driver door should only be about 5mm above the shiny steel plate on the bottom of the reservoir. If your rervoir is half full when cold, it is too much. It is common mistake to fill the reservoir using the dipstick in the cap as a gauge. Ferrari has issued a service bulletin to NOT use the dipstick as a gauge as this will lead to overfilling. If it is too full, it will expand and excess will run out the vent hole and run down to the belly pan eventually on to your floor. Ferrari recommends on 360 that the cold level should be 5mm over the top of the steel plate. This is significantly less than using the dipstick. In fact, when cold, it won't even wet the end of the dipstick.


    If your leak is not the power steering then the only other red fluid is the ATM fluid used in in the F1 system. Clean it up and see if it continues to leak. You may just be a victim of too much fluid in the F1 reservoir. If the dealer overfilled it, you should read them the riot act and make them remove the belly pan and clean it up.

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    #5 jebzter, Jul 7, 2013
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    Update after 24 hours: I drove the car for 20 miles yesterday and parked it.

    1 - There is only a tiny leak now after 24 hours (pics below)

    2 - I checked the Power Steering Reservoir and it seems to be good. I also took a pic of the area and there are no leaks - everything looks healthy.

    3 - The F1 Trans Reservoir and Actuator look all healthy. The F1 reservoir is half full when cold.

    4 - The Coolant Reservoir is BONE DRY when engine is cold. Is this normal?

    Remember, I just did an Oil Change + Freon Recharge + Brake flush from Ferrari of Washington 50 miles ago.

    Any thoughts on what that reddish oil leak was? The undertray still shows signs of wetness from the first pic I pointed at. Still confused!
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    #6 D16RR, Jul 7, 2013
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    Hi Jeb, its Drew...is it possible that the dealer spilled some fluids on the undertrays during the fluid change and some of it is now finally seeping its way through to your garage floor? In any event I would call the dealership and ask them wtf?!?!

    Also, not sure if you know about the Ferraridatabase.com website, but downlaod yourself some service manuals from here..

    http://ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/Manuals_Workshop.htm
     
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    #7 bisel, Jul 7, 2013
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    I think your F1 Reservoir is too full ... at least it was until the excess was expelled from the vent hole. I made the same mistake and over filled mine and after a drive, I parked it and discovered a puddle of pink fluid on the floor. There is vent hole in the reservoir or the cap. Check around the F1 fluid tank. Is there any evidence of fluid on the outside? When I over filled mine, there was evidence and I wiped it dry. In my case, after 24 hours the fluid had worked its way to the belly pan and on to my garage floor.

    Here is the link to the Ferrari technical bulletin.
    http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/The%20Documents/360%20Modena%20technical%20updates.pdf

    go to page 71 or search for bulletin # 1320.

    If the dealer serviced your car, it is most likely some rookie over filled the reservoir using the dipstick in the cap and you suffered the consequences. Print the service bulletin and take it with you to the dealer and point out they screwed it up and they should clean the mess in the engine bay.

    There should be some coolant in the coolant reservoir when cold. Not a lot, but there should be some evidence of coolant there.

    Steve
     
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    Funny...I was just reading page 71 when you posted this...
     
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    what is it they say about great minds ... thinking alike ... LOL

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  10. vrsurgeon

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    Thanks for checking the steering fluid level. That's one down.

    I'd be inclined at this stage to agree that perhaps f1 was overfilled and tht here it came from.

    Agree w others that my coolant tank has about 1/2" in it even when cold. If yo add some then make sure its the G50 or BMW coolant variety. No phosphates.
     

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