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  1. Russell996

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    You beat me to it Trev. :)
     
  2. spieler

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    on dupont registry 90 ferraris 360 for sale not including the cs
    26 black
    25 red
    it is logic to think that it is quite representative even if it seems surprising even to me
     
  3. 360trev

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    Well not really, you posted this way back in 2011 ! :)
     
  4. 360trev

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    Yes, most certainly good logic but in this case not necessarily correct. There where significantly more 360's and F430 produced in Red than Black. The trend (as shown by the figures) has definitely been towards more Black Ferrari's though so perhaps Black is the new 'Red' ;)
     
  5. spieler

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    i just saw your post with the %

    so it means that red owner dont sell them compared to black ones:)
     
  6. Russell996

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    We know that in 2004 (main CS production year) Ferrari produced 55% of it's cars in Red compared to 14.2% in black and that for the CS they introduced Rosso Scuderia as the primary colour of choice for the car. Maybe your used car figures simply suggest owners of red cars are much happier to keep their cars whereas owners of black cars are less happy and would rather trade them. ;)
     
  7. 360trev

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    or that more red cars have been crashed and burned.... :)

    Statistics and damn'd lies they say ! :)
     
  8. Russell996

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    I see that, forgot I even did it! LOL
     
  9. Russell996

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    There was also a survey in the same issue of the magazine where they asked Ferrari owners for their favorite colour!

    Rosso Corsa 52%
    Rosso Scuderia 9.7%
    Giallo Modena 6.2%
    Metallic Black 5.3%
    Metallic Dark Grey 4.7%
    Dark Blue 4.4%
    Pastel Black 4.2%
    Bordeaux Red 3.3%
    White 2.3%
    Light Blue 2.1%
    Silver 2%
    Metallic Light Grey 1.1%
    Burgundy 1.1%
    Dark Green 0.7%
    Ivory 0.3%
    Don't Know 0.6%

    Strange how red is even more popular than the actual buying figures, explained by buyers wanting a change from red even though they actually prefer red! LOL

    Some other colours also quite different - black for instance. Currently running at 22% of sales but less than 10% have it as their favorite.
     
  10. 360trev

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    This could be explained by the fact that new car buyers are not necessarily the same bunch of people who completed the survey (i.e. used car buyers may indeed prefer Red). If your on your 2nd, 3rd Ferrari and you've previously always bought Red you may choose another color just for a change!

    .. Or perhaps FOC members are more traditional than non FOC members?

    I'm in the minority because I much prefer Rosso Scuderia to Corsa but then again I wonder how many of those completing the survey have actually seen Scuderia vs Corsa in the flesh?
     
  11. Russell996

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    Minority yes, but still the second most popular colour so not alone. Of course, if they had of included 'Nuovo Rosso F1', would of been a completely different result. ;)
     
  12. 360trev

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    Completely agree. When I finally decide to respray my car again I will be doing it exactly the same as your car, 'Nuovo Rosso F1', and also possibly even the skirts in CF too.
     
  13. Russell996

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    LOL.
     
  14. J&B

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    Great info..... A little help with the math for 430's using the percentages shown, what are the production numbers that would apply, for example I own an '08 430 F1 spyder, so what number would I use to know how many cars in a specific color were produced..... Maybe a silly question but are the percentages global production? Thanks for your patience if I'm missing something obvious.
     
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  16. Ingenere

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    I believe that is Rosso Fiorano
     
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  17. mountainman3520

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    I think this data is actually consistent with the "resale red" observation.

    Consider this equation:
    cars currently for sale = cars put up for sale - cars sold

    If red and black vehicles were selling at the same rate, then one would expect the number currently for sale to align pretty closely with the original sales figures. Assuming there isn't some widespread psychological factor that causes people with one color to keep their cars longer!

    More likely roughly consistent numbers originally sold in each color are put up for resale. But the "resale red" Ferraris sell quicker, and the black ones stay on the market longer, accumulating and causing the quantity currently for sale of each color to be closer to equal.

    I just bought one of these resale red 430s last week! Further skewing the statistics. :)
     
  18. jackarthur

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    Yes, it is Rosso Fiorano (2002).
     
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  20. DrDon

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    Some are looking at it the wrong way.

    Just because there are more black than another colour for sale does not mean that there are more black cars in circulation nor that it sells in proportion. It means that one of these is true:

    - people do not hold onto black cars as long as other colours meaning that they appear on the market more frequently

    - it takes longer to sell a black car than other colours

    To prove or disprove one of the above, you'd need to track the cars to find days on market - like home sales and length of ownership.
     
  21. Crayzee1

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    I could be way off, but I understand that something like 10-15% of Ferraris are ordered black. Myself I am a fan of black, and my first one, which I am actively seeking will be black.
     
  22. RED TESTAROSSA

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    That's a great color!
     
  23. spieler

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    Maybe but you forget that it could be the simpliest and most logic observation as well ( we know now that it is not the case even if many discovered the high % of black cars) that the most common color for sale is the most color producted.

    but in that case you are probably right
     
  24. AndreB

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    I am happy the color that I like (black) was common. Should be easier to find, although I want a manual...
     
  25. kes7u

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    Not THAT easy!

    Seems that around or under 15% of cars were black.

    so around or under 390 Black manual Modenas, and around or under 315 Black manual Spiders.

    Kevin
     

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