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360 Spider F1 Double Clutch (?) issue. Help please.

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  1. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Mar 27, 2006
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    Dan L.
    Need help from the F1 experts please.

    1) I've only owned my 2003 360 for three months. It only has 10,000 miles when I bought it. It now has 13K miles as I like to drive and enjoy the heck out of it.

    Clutch wear per dealer report (two Ferrari dealers) is at 50%

    I am still learning the F1 transmission as I want precise & fast shifts to next higher gear.
    Once in a while during hard acceleration the F1 would "double shift" a few times before going to the next higher gear.

    At first I thought its because the rev limiter was kicking in as the car goes up in RPM fairly quick. But today at around 6,500 RPM the F1 would do the sort of like multiple double shifts too before going up the next higher gear.

    (My prior car was 2009 BMW M6 with SMG / Sequential Manual Gearshift. No double shifting feature / issue so I am not familiar with my 360 issue.)

    2) Also once in a great while during upshifts instead of going up to next higher gear - F1 would take it to Neutral. I will upshift again and no issues after that.

    3) I did a search and I read something about PIS / Point In Slip but I still dont understand what that is. Can someone explain please

    With all the above what do you folks think the issue is with my F1 transmission? PIS adjustment by the dealer?

    Thanks in advance.

    Dan
     
  2. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    PIS = Point of Initial Slippage - as you say lots of threads mention it - its a measurement and the name is unusually self-explanatory (similar to biting point on manual car) !

    It can be adjusted on the dealer's computer to some extent but some of your symptoms could also be associated with a worn-out clutch despite the % or the clutch position snesor
     
  3. F430giallomodena

    F430giallomodena Formula Junior

    Mar 2, 2012
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    clutch worn out...you can have your PIS adjusted and try to drive still few thousand miles...

    Cannot understand why 50% wear with 10K miles on the clock...that clutch has been abused.
     
  4. tomoshea

    tomoshea Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2003
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    The gearbox is set up to try twice to engage a gear if it has difficulty first time, then to bypass it if it can't select it.

    Does this happen in every gear or just 1 or 2 gears?
     
  5. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Thanks for the great info Jimmie.

    Dan
     
  6. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Thanks for the info.

    The clutch wear was read by the seller's dealer twice and read at 51%.

    When I took my car for two year all fluid flush service last month my local Ferrrari dealer's service report showed the clutch wear at 50%.

    I will take it to my dealer to see if they can adjust the PIS.

    Dan

     
  7. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Thanks for the info.

    Car shifts perfectly with no issue during normal / non hard acceleration.

    Only when I accelerate really hard, and only happens 3 times now in 3 months (about once a month) that the F1 would double clutch about 3 times before going up to the next gear. Happens on 2nd and 3rd gear if I remember correctly.

    Dan

     
  8. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    I am taking my car to the dealer this weekend to have the PIS looked at and perhaps adjust it if needed.

    Regarding my double clutching issue I did more reading here on previous posts and also re-read the owners manual. I came across this post:

    "The owners manual explicitly instructs to hold steady throttle while shifting."

    This may be my problem as I usually continue to push the gas pedal to the floor while shifting. I will try this technique today and just hold the pedal steady while shifting gears.

    Thanks to everyone that has responded.

    Dan
     
  9. tomoshea

    tomoshea Formula Junior

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    Ok you are probably fine, but as an FYI I had something that stated out like that - it really only happened on one gear - 3rd gear selection, eventually became an issue that it bypassed 3rd gear all together - took about a year though before that happened. In my case 3rd gear synchro + selector fork was the issue - apparently from speaking to a number of mechanics because of the arrangement of 3rd and 4th gear in the box with one selector fork sliding over another it can cause wear on the shaft the fork sits on, and 3rd gear gets a lot of abuse when accelerating hard - FWIW I have been told most gearbox issues start on 3rd gear, and its usually a reflection of how hard the car has been driven as opposed to mileage, but others may have a view on this - mine had about 26K on it when the problem arose.
     
  10. DrDon

    DrDon F1 Rookie
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    Clutch wear indicator is not very accurate.
    I have 31k miles on first clutch and it shows 90% left, and I know I've smoked it a couple of times.

    I've had the problem you describe as well - but only on hard acceleration.
     
  11. spikes360

    spikes360 Formula Junior

    Apr 1, 2013
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    I recently purchased a 360 with 28k on it and according to the PPI it had about 44% remaining. After 1500 miles and shifting from 1st to 2nd it would go into neutral every once in awhile. I had a 30k major done and the dealer said about 50% remaining. Then a few weeks ago it started to do this more often. At speed I went from 5th to 6th and it went to neutral. I took the car into the dealer and he said I needed a clutch because it was actually worn about 75%. I said how could I go from 50 to 75% in a few (50) miles. He said that someone must have put the wrong numbers in when they where doing something. He actually gave me a very long informational narrative that I really didn't understand. But when they dropped the gearbox and checked the clutch that is what they found. It hasn't happened since I had the clutch replaced.
     
  12. DrDon

    DrDon F1 Rookie
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    Adjusting the PIS will sometimes cure the dropping into neutral.
     
  13. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Thank you all for replying. Greatly appreciated. Car going to dealer soon for PIS adjustment.
     

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