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360 variator issue

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  1. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2004
    802
    Athens, Greece
    Full Name:
    MD
    My car is a 2002 Ferrari 360 Modena that has a serial number above those that were affected by the defective variators.

    I have a reason to believe that sometimes my variators (one side or both) are stuck (they do not switch the exhaust cam the 20 degrees they are supposed to)

    There is no CEL light

    How can I tell if they are working properly

    When I am in the shop with the Leonardo Diagnostic I've seen my mechanic activate the variators even at idle

    Is there a chance that they can get stuck sometimes ?
     
  2. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    in leonardo or sd2/3 , there's a parameter says 400 something, and it comes with a range, that'll tell you i guess
     
  3. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2004
    802
    Athens, Greece
    Full Name:
    MD
    The problem I believe is that the variators are activated under load, so when the car is stationary at the shop there is no way to see if they get activated properly...
     
  4. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    its not difficult to replace those , is it?

     
  5. timwu12

    timwu12 Formula Junior

    Oct 31, 2014
    919
    TX
    it's very difficult to replace them.

    removing the cam from the head is the easy part, separating the variator from the cam without damaging the cam is the hard part
     
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  6. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2004
    802
    Athens, Greece
    Full Name:
    MD
    Anyone who had variator problems , can you explain the symptoms before you replace thems ? Thanks !
     
  7. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    you said you have reason to believe that yours is bad. Can you explain your symptom first?

     
  8. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    I am no expert, but I believe if the variator isn't doing the 20 degree job, should that be the solenoid's problem? replacing the solenoid doesn't require removing the variator itself----hence the possibility of damaging the camshaft
     
  9. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2004
    802
    Athens, Greece
    Full Name:
    MD
    I already replaced one solenoid based on my suggestion of my mechanic... He said it easier to do than replace the variator itself... If it doesn't work he said it's time for the variator...

    Symptoms : doesn't always pull as hard, sound weaker (no differentiation in sound on/off) , bad idle when coming to stop (it drops to 800 and 3 seconds later it increases to normal 1100) Like the variator(s) are stuck !!
     
  10. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    i remember your issue now, its been doing this for a while, isn't it?

    again, i am no expert, but I think, the only fail mode of the variator is to break then damage the piston and rods? am I wrong?

     

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