360 vs 599

More than a year has passed since this issue and I don't know what your decision was, but I would like to write some of my opinions.
First of all, we should not compare 360 and 599, these two cars are like apples and watermelons. We are talking about two very different cars in terms of generation and class.
However, since you have such a trade opportunity, it is natural for you to think about it and ask.
I owned the 599 GTB for about 4 years and sold my car about 2 months ago and I must admit that I miss the car. 599 is a GT car produced with racing instincts, with a V12 detuned engine taken from Enzo Ferrari. Moreover, you will feel that you are driving a more technological and modern car compared to the 360, and
you should also know that there is a huge difference between the two cars in terms of performance.
I don't know what your expectations are, but if you are undecided about buying the car, I recommend you to drive the car.
I know the car pretty well from my 4 years of experience, and except for some age-related issues, the 599 is not really a problematic car.
(of course, if the car in question is properly maintained and in good condition).
As I said, these are my personal opinions and it is you who will make the choice (maybe you did, I don't know the situation ) Choose what suits your taste and expectations. I wish you a good day.

 

Good advice to actually drive the car, but "age-related issues" in a relatively simple car are different than the issues that will require heavy spending on something as complex as a 599.

Look at depreciation on out-of-warranty Mercedes and Aston Martin as a reference. They are simply financial minefields unless you go back to the classics, which had no TFT, sticky plastic, F1 gearboxes, etc. I considered a lower mileage 599 back in summer 2021, but it was already showing several of the problems SCantera describes in his post above.

 

599 production started in 2006 (MY07) and I believe all Ferrari's from 2007-onward have been fitted with CCB as standard.

 

nah, my 07 F430 and even the 2009 F430 didn't have CCB

 

No, Doug spoke about 599s and said it correctly, CCB is standard in all 599s since MY 2008.

 

Oh, he said all Ferraris so I misunderstood


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I currently have a 599. It's a Gt car - yes, but a pretty quick one. On the track with the right tires... I can keep up with pretty much anything else... unless a true race car. it has a bit of lean but not too bad, and in my opinion way better than a 360. The thing you get with a 599 is the power. simply put that is the overwhelming thing... its so fast.. and effortlessly fast. 360 - quick car - but you have to work at it... and they simply made thousands of 360's - they are the modern 308's.

 

True, you may be right. An Italian car, especially a Ferrari, is not a car that can be bought at a bargain price or with the thought of having the problems fixed anyway.

 

any older car is going to show issues. its what can you live with, DIY and live witho out.

 

My problem with both of these cars is the F1 transmission. The later DCT or the earlier stick cars appear to the way to go. The F1 ended up as a flawed experiment. If you tighten up the F1, you get better performance, but the car becomes undrivable on the street. My recommendation is to short shift. Banging gear changes under power is fun, but clutches become consumables like tires.

 

599 is the better buy imo and looks better, it can be a bit of a lottery as to how many issues the cars have though

 

In my car 2nd gear is the only one that is rough... the others are pretty smooth. In race mode on track, the shifts are pretty brutal, but also very quick, especially downshifts. I was extremely pleasantly surprised about how good the 599 was on track. mine has a HGTE handling package on it but still it was very confidence-inspiring.... it was also a very easy track.

 

The 599 is (along with the 430 Scud) the latest development of the F1 system, so while not as smooth or efficient as the DCT, it's actually not that bad (I would even dare to say, rather good).
Comparing the different iterations of the F1 system, from the initial 355 through the 360, 575, 360 CS, F430, to the 599 and Scud, the improvements are really noticeable from the driver's seat (I drove all these cars, although I only did own a 575 and a 599).
Besides, the F1 system is a part of history, and as such is an integral component of the driving experience of the cars that were designed at the time (the 355, which had an almost terrible F1 system, was not designed with it, unlike the following cars).

 

The faster a F1 shifts, the harder it is to drive on the street.

 

I agree the 599 is perhaps the best F1 system. Just be prepared to replace clutches if you drive it hard. In a stick, I would hang my head in shame if a clutch didn't last at least 50K miles, actually I'd say 100K. In a F1, if you floor it and pop shifts, which is mega cool to do, you'll never make it to 50k.

 

50K would be a stretch, but the 599 would go for about 30K easily. IIRC it has a double disc clutch (unlike earlier F1 system cars), which also helps, in addition to the better gear change management.

 

You forgot to mention not backing up an uphill driveway. I personally think the F1 is a crappy transmission. That stick conversions are so common and numerous (yet not perfect in themselves) attest to how great the F1 is.

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion but if you want me to believe it be honest how hard that opinion is on the wallet. On my stick car the way I drive the clutch replacement I did is a lifetime thing. I wouldn't tolerate a clutch replacement every 30k miles. But to each their own. And granted the PDK on our Macan is going to cost a few hundred to a grand + at 80k miles for its PDK service.

 

True, and the Aston Martin Vanquish is similarly far more desirable with the factory gearbox conversion to dump its apparently horrid F1 system.

For the 360 or 599, a buyer needs to go into these realizing that these may be affordable now but were engineered as money-no-object cars in their time.


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599's f1 gear system is the transmission with the most advanced and durable clutch together with the f430 scud. If you do not live in a city with a lot of traffic such as New York, Istanbul or Moscow, you can easily use your clutch for at least 50k km (30K miles).

 

Had both .. without question, the 599 is a GT .
Great for 6-7 hour drive and little driver fatigue. You should agree , the 360 feels light and bouncy.. after several hours , it’s exhausting


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