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  1. dpsuk999

    dpsuk999 Formula Junior

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    Hi, decided to give the car a blast today and went to open the drivers door and the handle just lifts up and door refuses to open. Only way I could get in was through passenger door and when I lift the inside handle up too that just lifts up very easy so feels like the cable has come loose or snapped :(

    Didnt stop me from giving the car a blast though but is there a way to manually open the door so I can take the door panel off and have a look???

    Cheers
     
  2. saw1998

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  3. dpsuk999

    dpsuk999 Formula Junior

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    Thanks :) but I cant get to the cable unless i can open the door, but I cant open the door as I think the cable has either snapped or come loose as both the outside handle and inside handle dont do anything...is there an emergency way of opening the door??
     
  4. zippyslug31

    zippyslug31 Formula 3

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    I just changed the cable leading to the exteral latch a few months back. Not overly difficult, but you will need some good lighting and some patience.
    It's odd that neither handle works though since I believe the external handle works on a completely different set of hardware (cables) as compared to the interior handle. Perhaps you have a bigger problem?

    When my exterior handle cable broke, the lever felt very light with only spring tension. It was obvious that something broke inside.

    I've often wondered what would happen if the mechanism that slightly lowers the window when you start to open the door were to fail. Seems like it would bind up the door. I have no idea how this mechanism works, but wonder if thats the reason why BOTH the handles fail to open?
     
  5. dpsuk999

    dpsuk999 Formula Junior

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    I thought that too, why would both cables fail?!? The external handle has no resistance apart from a small one probably the spring tension and similar to the internal one. Im baffled how to open the door to then remove the door panel. Ive not looked ion detail but are the screws which hold the door panel in place accessable when the door is closed or are some screws only accessable when the door is open?

    Dilema!!
     
  6. zippyslug31

    zippyslug31 Formula 3

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    No, there are at least 2 small screws on the bottom edge of the door that you won't be able to access.

    Sounds like the lock mechanism itself that failed.... the single item that both cables run to.
    Or, just incredibly dumb luck and BOTH cables failed (unlikely).

    Sounds like a trip to the dealer instead of running the risk of forcing the door and shattering your glass.
     
  7. Jon Hansen

    Jon Hansen Formula Junior

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    If you can lower the window down, perhaps you can reach the door latch mechanism with a coat hanger or similar tool through the glass opening slot. All you would need to do is grab /hook one of the cables and give it a tug most likely.
    I would also lift the handle into the open position and then bang hard on the door panel to create vibration, hoping to loosen the latch which is simply being sticky. This has worked for me in the past.
     
  8. rustybits

    rustybits F1 Rookie
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    Fist thing to do is pull off the arm rest, just grip the end nearest the back of the door, and a sharp tug will see it lift, then slide it backwards. Once off, you will see a cable and a metal rod. The metal rod locks and unlocks the door, the cable opens it. With luck, you may find the cable has come off the handle (Usually caused by door lock failure) and you may find some shards of yellow plastic proving this fact. Either way, pull the release able swiftly forward and see if the door will open. If not, you are in for a big Job! Proceed as follows: Lift the rubber strip that runs the length of the glass, at the back of the door. You will see two small allen-key screws. Remove them. Then remove all the screws you can see that hold the silver door pocket on. As another poster has already pointed out, you won't be able to remove this because it's screwed on from beneath the door. You should now find the pocket quite loose, and you should CAREFULLY be able to pull it away from the door slightly. At this point, go around to the outside of the car and remove the outer rubber that runs the length of the door. Pull it sharply upwards from the mirror end. It's a good idea to tape a piece of newspaper on the outside of the door, to prevent the now hanging out rubber from damaging your paint! Pull the door trim from the back end of the door sharply upwards, it will release slightly. Work yourway carefully along the door until as much of the trim is released as possible. Now put a wooden wedge between the plastic inner of the trim and the door frame, to keep the gap open. Carefully peel back as much of the foam water protecting sheet as you can. You will see about 50 m.m back from the mirror, an allen-key securing the glass to an alluminium channel. Release this with some mole-grips (or cut down an allen-key wrench to fit) and remove this screw. Switch on the ignition, and bit by bit edge the window down with the switch until you can see the other allen-key screw near the back end of the window. Remove this now. Also remove the 10 m.m bolt you can see, and remove the silver coloured bracket from the rear window runner. Now your glass is free to be removed. Gently lift the BACK END of the glass until the whole thing is loose. Lift the glass out at a 45 degree angle, being carefull that none of the fixings/brackets fall off and land on your door. Once this is out, you will be able to squeeze your hand inside the door, and, with the aid of a torch, find the cable that comes from the door handle to the arm on the lock mechanism. release the arm by pulling it downwards, and the door will open. Good luck!!
     
  9. No Doubt

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    What's the ambiant temperature? I ask because I had this *exact* same problem this morning on my Porsche 928...because my door was frozen shut. We had a serious cold front move through here (rare in the South). Once the car was warmed up, the ice melted and the door opened.

    The ice was *not* visible from the outside. This was condensation that froze inside the door jam.

    Would suk to dissassemble your door only to find that your problem had melted away!
     
  10. dpsuk999

    dpsuk999 Formula Junior

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    Hi there.....the problem ive got is its a Challenge Stradale and therefore has the carbon door panels and so no arm rest or door pocket etc :(...is your excellent write up still valid with a CS?

    Many thanks :)
     
  11. dpsuk999

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    Hi there, was approx 7 degrees so not cold enought for it to have been frozen, just seems strange that both external and internal handles do not open the door....I noticed this evening that when I pull the outside handle nothing happens but then I pull the inside handle the window moves down slightly...is this on a micro-switch or something?

    Also when I press the lock button on the centre dash, nothing happens..so could it be a fuse or something? Just a thought?

    Cheers
     
  12. rustybits

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    Ah, yes....sorry, misread your post! As far as the proceedure for removing the glass is concerned, that still stands, but door trim removal is slightly different. Never tried this method on a CS, but be carefull pulling that trim about those C/F panels are a fortune!! Definately try checking the fuse before partially removing the trim, you could be lucky!!
     
  13. dpsuk999

    dpsuk999 Formula Junior

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    Took car into my local ferrari dealer to sort out and turns out that the lock mechanism had seized!! Went in to see them working on her and the mechanic managed to prise the carbon door panel away just enough to look down and even when he managed to grab hold of the cable and pull, nothing at all. He then removed the rubber strip on the outside of the door to remove the window....still no joy at all..

    The lock had seized and locked into place with not a hope of budging!!...in the end they smashed the lock which luckily they could get inside with a screw driver and hey presto, opened the door!

    Cost, 1 new lock at £125 which had to come from Italy so its the same key and did a deal on the labour, so all in all cost just over £500...could have been a lot worse if they had had to damage the carbon door panel or window etc!! :)
     
  14. zippyslug31

    zippyslug31 Formula 3

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    Interesting.
    Glad it worked out in the end and thanks for the update.
     

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