Hey guys, this question must've been asked dozens times. Just found the modern Ferrari of my choice, been lusting after a Stradale since new & had a near miss chance to own a red one 5yrs back & I've gone on to own many cars. Had a 430 briefly & didn't like it. This is a late '04 Stradale in Giallo Modena with black leather seats & dash, aircon & no radio. Very basic car but has a premium price. I could get a late 05 high spec F430 for the same price. For the long term "investment" would you guys think that the Stradale is a better choice? It's not very fast by now & gearbox a little slow but alright for me as I don't really like fancy electronics. I like it's purity, lightweight & small production. How many did they make anyway? One of my daily driver is a 2010 GT3RS & I just bought a '75 365Boxer. The only other V8 that I like will be a Scuderia but it's still depreciating fast.
Go for a scud or a 458! Don't be bothered by the depreciating value of your toys they are not investments unless you have the opportunity to buy one of the rare cars that command large sums to own them. If you are looking for an investment f cars are not it unless you can buy one cheep that needs nothing and then flip it for a profit. Good luck on your search
I think that for the long term toy investment the CS it's a better choice, the newer the model the larger depreciation impact it will have. The CS has already taken a large depreciation and although it will still take some it will be less than a newer car as a F430 which are a lot faster but the feel it's different. I have a CS and my partner just pick up an 07 F430 and as of performance the F430 it's much more further ahead but the row race car feel of an Stradale it's incomparable even to an Scuderia.
Judging by what you are saying, you have made your choice, which is the obvious one. The CS. You had a 430, and didn't like it. Why would you get another? The CS is already gaining 'cult' status. While no modern car is really an investment, I think your money will be safer with a CS.
Stradale are continuing to trend upwards. I have long been a Stradale fan and have been lucky enough to be around a couple since they came out. The Stradale is an amazing car that was built just for homoligation unlike the Scuderia which was built for Ferrari to make more money. It is one of the rare and great modern Ferraris and goes back to the heritage of what Ferrari was by being road worthy enough to get you around but a monster on the track.
I'd say go with the Stradale as well. There's just something about its presence that you feel in your bones. And the painted stripe?...drooling just thinking about it. On a slightly unrelated note, I did some google searching, and fchat forum searching, but can't seem to come up with a definitive answer. Does anyone know how much the stock 19" F430 wheels weigh? Trying to determine shipping prices, but can't get an exact figure.
Actually the reality is the CS has less depreciation in 7 years than a Scud has in 2 or 3. It's close but a Good CS has retained higher resale compared to original sticker. LOL Ferrari made the CS just like they made the Scuderia. To make money and to only make money. LMAO. They just made 1/2 as many CS's because in 2004 the market didn't command more. Mattyrae....The master at stating the obvious. If those damn people would stop spending 28million on the GTO's they might drop as well. Sheesh. The market is the market. Doesn't matter the car. Couldn't agree more. The yellow CS is close to a tie with a Black but I believe a touch hotter. Great combo. The two are really only trumped by one color White
Mattrae your statements crack me up. If people would just stop paying $3 -4 for a gallon of gasoline, diesel would also drop.
the cs is the best bang for your automotive buck. period. i love that car. its not for every day, but when you get it out you dont want to stop driving ! you saw me in mine on the mm this year- and that was a blast. think i better buy another one before they get too expensive !
Jon, But I'm in a different situation. I only have one exotic/sports car, so it has to satisfy several purposes -- thrill a minute to drive, elegant enough for date night, road trips up the California Coast, etc. I considered a CS (Rosso w/ Stripe and ~2K mi), but it is always raw; always race ready. And based on what others have said, can beat you up on a long road journey (we don't have the best roads in CA). One of the things I like best about the Scuderia is how the Mannetino (sp?) and suspension setting is decoupled. It makes the Scuderia very livable on the road, which is a must for me. This feature alone made it easy for me to "bypass" the F430 in favor for Scuderia. The 60ms shifts are to die for! One thing I noticed is that you already have a GT3RS, which is already a raw race car. Regarding depreciation...The CS is older and is well beyond the steep part of the depreciation curve. Plus, it was produced in fewer quantities. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a smart investment (ok, maybe in the very long term), but its probably more liquid and will lose less value in the near term. As the Scuderia is newer and was produced in greater numbers, one could logically conclude that it is further up the depreciation curve than the CS. I didn't buy as an investment, but I also thought that it was an OK time to buy without losing one's shirt. Cheers, DL
I don't think you should judge which car to buy on it's investment value. The only reason I say that is because if you get into an accident, all your planning just went out of the window. Or, your guess could be completely wrong. Why not just buy what you really want? My belief is that you should buy what makes you happy and let the chips fall where they may. Gambling is still gambling when it comes to resale values. Also, the comments here about values are representative of the US market. It's something to keep in mind. Other markets may have a different take on "likes" and "dislikes". My personal view is the CS has the least to fall because it's already been priced over time and is a limited edition. The F430 would be next because most of it's biggest hit has already occurred and there's a lot of them out there. The 458 has the most to fall simply because it's expensive and still in production, which means it's limited supply is less and less each day. Now, as the best car -- from top to bottom its the 458, the CS, and the F430. But then, it depends on what you're looking for in a car. Rawness = CS.
Actually a 100k brand new Corvette ZR1 is the best bang for your buck. But I know this is fchat full of blinders He wasn't asking about scud. It's a chunk more than he was talking about spending I agree tho
I just got back from test driving a beautiful, well optioned 2007 F430 spider. Was considering trading the CS and the Maser GS spider and replacing with only one car. The 430 was very nice. Sounded good (stock exhaust), drove well. Very nicely optioned interior. No complaints...would have been a straight up trade for the CS and Maser together... BUT...I can't do it. The CS is so much rawer, louder, shifts are way cooler (this was a surprise, but the 430 downshifts - even in race - don't sound nearly as cool)...its a way better "sports car experience". And, the Maser is a nicer lux/GT cruiser spider (no surprise, the GT part of my definition here makes it a bit apples/oranges...but that's my perogative). So...for the second time I went in thinking I would get a 430 and came out saying CS...(the first was when I got the CS ealier this year). That said, the search now turns to a 16M, which *may* provide the sports car thrill of a CS along with being a spider and thus replace my two cars (albiet I have to add a 575 sized chunk of cash to make the deal). I have driven a Scud plenty on track and street and do find it CS-enough / raw enough on that front - not to mention far more capable performance wise... Perhaps more on point to this thread, if one is comparing a 430 coupe to a CS AND this sports car is not your only car / daily driver...I fail to see why a CS wouldn't be a better choice for the pure sports car role. The close relative proximity of price makes these comarisons appropriate in mind for v8 ferrari buyers to contemplate. And, of course, one could own a CS for a period of time and then get a 430 later on as there are nearly 20,000 of them out there and all the way into 2009...that was pretty much my strategy...
Was in the same situation as you. Did a lot of research into this topic so here are my thoughts. Performance wise the CS will be better/faster than the 430 due to its more hard core setup and the fact it was manufactured to tighter tolerances so its output will be closer to claimed values vs 430. The 430 will be more comfortable of course but unless you need a daily driver this is not an issue esp if you will be doing track work. The exhaust noise from the CS is second to none....one of the main reasons I finally bought it. Rarity wise its CS all the way as evidenced by the continual drop in values of the 430. The CS values are now RISING esp in the UK which makes it good value if you can hold it long term. Total production figures are unclear...anywhere from 850 to 1200. About 150 RHD only. Which tells you RHD cars are only going to contine to increase in value probably faster than the LHDs. You are from Singapore? In which case you need to consider the cost of renewing your COE but after that it should hold its value well. As I say UK cars are selling for 15-20%less than their ORIGINAL selling price now. Compared to what these cars are asking for, in Singapore it is spectacularly good value; although what you pay can easily buy a new 458 + change else where in the world Good luck!
H2O, I agree with you 100% on all post. The 430 is amazing car, but there hasn't been anything like the CS since, well, 2004. I'm pretty sure the CS will follow the same APPreciation curve as the F40, F50 and the like.
If people would stop paying $20M for GTO's, they might go down as well. It's called supply and demand. If you are having a challenge with $150K for a CS..... wait 10 years!
A few years back I DD an F40, just because of the experience. It was amazing, visceral and thoroughly addictive. The CS is the only Ferrari since that reproduces that experience. I am an unashamed CS fan. I always thought that I was in the minority, but every time I run into everyone from kids to cops, they know and love the car. As the years go buy and those kids who are fans get to the point in life where they can go after their dream, I think that supply and demand will be interesting to say the least. Who was that very, very, very wise man, anyway?
Good thing the forum has a Captain idiot here to save the day. If my car didn't run out of gas I would never have to fill up the tank. If Ferrari could learn to make cars run on HotAir Mattyrae would then finally become useful to this forum.
