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360CS v. GT3 v. Ford GT

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  1. zjpj

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    On Rennteam.com, a guy reveals Car and Driver's results from this three way test. The Ford GT - 0 to 60 in 3.3!

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=17831&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

    Test Data >> Ford GT - Ferrari CS - Porsche GT3

    Lap time >> 1:32.13 - 1:34.19 - 1:34.15
    (Gingerman Raceway 1.9 mile road course)

    0 - 60 >> 3.3 - 4.0 - 4.0

    0 - 100 >> 7.6 - 9.5 - 9.3

    0 - 150 >> 16.9 - 23.9 - 23.9

    1/4 mile >> 11.6@128 - 12.4@115 - 12.3@114

    5 - 60 >> 3.7 - 4.4 - 4.7

    Max Lat (g) >> 0.98 - 0.98 - 1.03

    Braking 70 - 0 (ft) >> 153 - 167 - 167

    Lane Change (MPH) >> 70.1 - 67.2 - 67.6
     
  2. t88power

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    The Ford performance looks awesome!

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  3. Clax

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    If the Ford GT performance numbers are valid, I think this is a great thing. It ups the ante for Ferrari when they replace the 360. Suhweeeet.
     
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    The Ford GT does 0-60 mph in 3.3 sec? The Enzo does the same...
    hhmm..
    I don't know what to say..
     
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    Very Impressive.
     
  6. Napolis

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    At Pebble I spent a lot of time with the Ford guys who designed the new Ford GT. They told me that the engine made a lot more HP than they were saying it did. They also said it was a lot faster, 5 seconds a lap, at Leguna than a 360. They also said that they have an even faster version that they're going to produce. It reminded me of the old days. They were very proud. I can still feel the thunderous sound that my MK-IV made as it flew down the Mulsanne at 223MPH. Every heartbeat it travelled 300 feet.
     
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    The GT's numbers obviously are fantastic. 5 secs a lap at Laguna is vast IMO. How is the interior - seems Ford has done a nice job.

    As someone with a car on order, I'm pleased by the 360CS numbers, haven't seen any other as tested marks. And, I could actually buy a 360CS at MSRP. I suspect the GT will be unavailable to "civilians" for some time, until production ramps up (isn't Ford planning to make a relatively large number of GTs?).
     
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  11. t88power

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    Its retro looks are too bad though... as is having to visit the Ford dealer for service.

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  12. zjpj

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    Yeah - I know you can walk into any old Ford dealer and buy one, but can any old Ford dealer service one? That's a high performance engine...
     
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  15. Hubert

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    Yes... it's not a "highly over engineered high performance engine" it's a common ford engine with a blower, and some misc upgrades. Any Ford master tech that's worked on blown mustang cobra/svt/lightening/etc should be able to service a GT.
     
  16. Willis360

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    The Ford GT's numbers are great!

    I thought the Ford GT will only be produced in limited numbers as opposed to regular production. It will be very difficult to buy one now as they probably sold out the entire run. You gonna have to ante up a lot more than $150K to get one on the secondary market.
     
  17. zjpj

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    Can anyone explain why the 5-60 is slower than the 0-60 for all the cars? I've always felt like a rolling start has got to be faster.
     
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  19. WCH

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    Thanks for the interior shots! Have to see it in person, can't say I love it, at least at first blush, from the photos. Looks a bit gimmicky. But photos can be quite deceiving IMO, and, who cares: ah, the performance ....

    Edit: I like the more "stripped down" look of the CS interior.
     
  20. Napolis

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    Anyone can service one. It's a very simple car. You will also be able to buy one. They will meet demand and the next version which will follow soon will be even faster.
     
  21. WCH

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    "and the next version which will follow soon will be even faster"

    That's hard to imagine. Maybe if I get on the bloody list today ....
     
  22. Hubert

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    Me too.
    Alcantera has awesome tactile appeal (as does lack of carpet and the rest of the misc crap that fills the average interior...)
    Edit: Do you guys see what I see... ? GT3 1.03G's. Looks like the GT40 and 360CS might have a certain pcar passing them on the outside...
     
  23. ryalex

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    Saw the GT at the Boston autoshow 2 weeks ago... even being an F-car fanatic I have to say it is marvelous in person. I want one of those too! The interior was not cheezy at all IMO.
     
  24. teak360

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    First let me say I like the Ford GT a lot, and I hope build-quality is relatively good. I hope to get one. That said, the quoted 0-60 time of 3.3 sec is not possible in the production car. The car is too heavy and the power is not there. I don't believe it will accelerate in Mclaren F1/Enzo territory. It may get well into the mid-high 3's though.
     
  25. JaguarXJ6

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    The way the clutch was dropped at 5mph.

    LOL! 200lbs heaver with better power to weight.

    The torque curve of the Ford GT is much more controllable, available through the range at 3250-3500 rpm with the s/c.

    vs.

    The GT3's peak at 7,300rpm, 91% of red line with the turbo.

    Its not just more power. It has better braking and better handling than the 360CS. There might be some brake balance issues and I don't know about the Ford GT weight distribution.

    One thing that is for sure. If the suspension is as dialed in as these road tests indicate, so what it doesn't pull more than 1.00G on the skidpad. The 360CS was being progressively left behind at each turn in tests with the prototype. You don't think the chassis was tweaked more since the prototype races?

    Admit it. The GT3 will have to be over driven to hang with the Ford GT. Unless the drivers are unequal, the Ford GT is the car to beat. I'll bet the farm on that.

    Its estimated 3.7-3.8secs. Its not the 0-60 or 0-100mph times that are impressive. Its the 0-150mph that is impressive, the F1 and Enzo do this in 12.8 and 13.1 and the Enzo can haul to a stop from 70mph in 151ft for comparison.

    Its Ford's equivilent to the Murcielago in performance for the working class. An ungentlemanly blown truck engine servicable at Ford rates with proven reliability.

    Sunny
     

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