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365 BB Chassis 17553 Nut and Bolt Restoration

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  1. turbo-joe

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    what is this black in the oilpan paul? old oil debris?
     
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    Its old oil with some white silicone sealant mixed in....
     
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    Breaking down sub-assemblies for restoration. A tad excessive on the fuel lines to whoever did that.

    Heater cores are mini-radiators with tanks like a rad vs the 512 version in a plastic box thats more of an industrial core without top and bottom tanks just continuous tubes.

    The master cylinder was seized inside the booster which was a first for me.

    More items were processed today for plating, painting or coating such as intake manifolds, water pump, front timing cover, distributor cam covers etc


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    Pedal box is rough cast vs the later version which looks diecast in comparison and it has an aluminum access plate on top vs a zinc plated steel one .

    Pedals are also wider and less tapered than the later 365 and everything after that.


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    Just some random pics

    Bottom pic is the new rear heat shield showing the inside of the rear half. That area will be covered with a 1/4" insulation blanket hand cut to fit then the forward half folder over it as per original. We even duplicated the spot weld placement.

    Rack mount pic shows a complicated approach with bushings (silent blocks) with a silicone swatch between it and the frame that Ferrari abandoned in favour of using simple cone bushings that allowed flex and maybe reduced harshness. Another bean counter move in my opinion just like the plastic heater core boxes with more "efficiently made" cores.


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    Working on the sub-assemblies. Breaking everything down into individual parts and addressing any issues.

    Looking forward to posting the "after" pics

    I have two 5 gallon pails Im filling with items to be plated. I need to prep some of it prior to plating black, yellow and clear, there's also some natural parts Ill refinish.


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    I always wonder why something like the wiper pivot assembly would be plated two different colours. Two different vendors?

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    A/c clutch got the spray bomb treatment. Its should be yellow zinc with black straps and yellow rivets. Sometimes the hub has a black coating on it too.

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    Control arms were painted black over the yellow zinc

    Rear hub assembly initial thoughts are natural aluminum with black debris lip to keep rocks out of the park brake shoe area. Boxer hubs come satin black and natural, no rhyme or reason and contrary to popular belief I have seen 3 boxers with silver control arms and when taken completely apart there's no evidence they were yellow zinc originally. Sorry for the blurry pic.

    On this car the arms are yellow zinc so its a no-brainer but if they were all silver and we chose to duplicate how the car was originally we would get a deduction at a judged event. That would leave us no choice but to make it incorrect to appease the judges.

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    Ive measured and made notes on almost every fastener from this car. Colour, length, markings on heads of bolts, washer dimensions etc. Interesting to see the changes as the models evolved from this car being build number 27 all the way to the 84 I restored that was one of the last 50 built.
     
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    Newman: Glad to see your post about the control arm finishes. You are correct. 365 Boxers used a mixture of both silver zinc and yellow chromate. When the cars were new, it was common to see both finishes on the SAME car. 18587 is primarily silver zinc and look how much later a car it is than 17553.
     
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    One of the boxers I referred to that had silver arms was a 79 512
     
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    Best car stuff on the whole inter-web! John
     
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    an seemingly endless array of 'niggles' to sort out with the condition of this Boxer that you have described and pictured in great detail. Your encyclopedic knowledge of the ins and outs of the Ferrari factory Boxer builds is amazing.
    In saving the history of this Boxer; it goes way beyond mere dollars invested. Thank you for sharing all these details here!
     
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    Thank you!

    I certainly see it as a privilege of mine that these projects come my way. I love the challenge and seeing the finished result. Driving a new boxer is awesome too!
     
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    The replacement switches Ive found look the same on the outside but have blade connectors not screw terminals like these so for the 5 minutes it takes to pop the plates off I might as well and clean up the plastic parts.

    Signal sockets had two filament sockets in the original socket adapters. I change the sockets to a single filament version and make them look correct.

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    Could it be the car whas lifted on the wrong spots during his life. ?
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